Hotel California is now the place you never check in. You're a visitor, like it or not. The established interests in California are hostile to the people who would live in it. Life is dirty, crowded, and economically inhospitable, and the future promises more of the same.
California population declines for first time in more than a century
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Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century
#102I'm a PhD student at Caltech. I'd love to stay in CA and become a prof at one of the world-renown universities in the state. The cost for a nice house is > $800K in all of the cities hosting these universities; on top of that, the state income tax on a prof's salary is 9-10%. CA is basically telling me (and millions of other millennials) that we are not wanted here.
I'm a lifelong Californian whose lived in Santa Cruz County for nearly nine out of the past 11 years, and as someone who wants to become a CS professor at a teaching university one day, I feel the exact same way. I love California and I don't want to leave the state. However, the housing prices signal to me that if I want to buy a house, I need to have a very high income and maintain it during the length of a 30-year…
Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Addressed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27082295
No argument from me that higher density population centers tend to be better for the global environment, but that wasn't my point.
Distribution makes it more expensive to build that infrastructure. Thus inreasing distribution hinders rather than helps the ability of California to support a larger population.
That seems to directly contradict the points you were making.
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#104Hotel California is now the place you never check in. You're a visitor, like it or not. The established interests in California are hostile to the people who would live in it. Life is dirty, crowded, and economically inhospitable, and the future promises more of the same.
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Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m in favor of higher density and I’d have no problem tying it to practical mass transit - thus encouraging developers to work to expand mass transit so they can redevelop land to higher density.
Unfortunately countless coastal communities will happily watch their children flee so that they can keep their "beach bungalow vibe" or whatever other delusion they have. Meanwhile we will keep building huge roads and parking lots to accomodate their lifestyle.
There are no jobs or industry anywhere near where we grew up but people like him make sure that stays a reality and then he has the nerve to complain about how I live so far away. He's the ultimate NIMBY. He and others like him all truly believe that as soon as their house was completed no further changes can ever allow to happen or else it will ruin the landscape. It's not just hypocritical it's outright selfish.
Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century
#106As a resident of California, I would greatly prefer fewer people. Losing population isn’t necessarily something negative in my opinion.
Nobody complains about housing prices in Detroit. (Yes I'm aware there is a specific section of Detroit that is very trendy but I'm talking about the city as a whole)
Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century
#107Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.
Three years back, I made the rational choice to leave because I could barely see a way to home ownership - not to mention having a family and sending children to a good school.
California can solve all of it's problems if it wanted to. I think the problem is the number of people in California who have barely left the state and view the rest of the country as this underdeveloped backwater.
Food for thought, California currently:
- Is tied for the 3rd highest unemployment rate https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
- Has the 5th highest Gini coefficient https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_...
- Has the LOWEST high school graduation rate https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/high-school...
The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have a problem.
Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century
#108As a resident of California, I would greatly prefer fewer people. Losing population isn’t necessarily something negative in my opinion.
Personally, I disagree, the people of California are probably one of the best parts of it, IMHO. If it's just the climate or the views, there are many other great places in the West coast that are cheaper and have the same natural amenities. But the people are irreplaceable, which is what make California so much more desirable than those other places that you aren't living. However if there was a system for limiting…
Not that I am knocking the hustle, but in my experience they don’t really like living here, do not understand or respect the locals, and their contributions to the overall cultural atmosphere are subtraction by addition.
I knew we were in trouble when I started running into people who moved into tech from finance after the 2008 crash. Now these people are spreading to Austin, like a cancer. The sad part is people blame California for it, when most of these people are not actually from here.
Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century
#109Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.
I'm usually a huge cheerleader for most things California, but I think this comment is missing some important considerations. Namely, people don't just need housing, they also need food, energy, water, transportation, waste management, employment, education, health care, and space for recreation. Every new home that goes up requires a lot of infrastructure to support a healthy population. And people don't want to be…
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#110We should be building Fabs in California, Cars in California, getting the smartest people in the world here, in solid numbers. Perhaps we’re in a global competition and we’ll not be the largest economy soon, perhaps we’re too busy with pronouns to notice. People pattern-matched that the house prices always went up, assumed it was an axiom, and that drove us into a recession. Gavin Newsom will observe that California…
Don't fabs require tons of water?