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Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by libertine »

sumedh wrote: post #94
libertine wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apple is disrupting whole economy for apps. I've been wondering why people aren't asking what kind of data is Apple itself collecting? Not only from users, but from the marketplace. Shouldn't users also give consent to what they share with Apple? Shouldn't businesses also choose to share info with Apple? This is gave us a sense of "justice as been done", but now we should look deeply into what the gatekeeper is doin…

> Shouldn't users also give consent to what they share with Apple? You do that when you accept their terms.

Do you have an option to not accept those terms and use the software? Similar to what is shown now for the App Tracking?

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by toss1 »

the_snooze wrote: post #24
Dma54rhs wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no harm in filming your daughter changing clothes at these booths we installed all over the beaches. We are keen at protecting her data and making sure her face stays blurred. If we'd stop the costs of going to beach would go up tremendously, so that's out the question.

You're probably joking, but the TSA has made that exact argument for their full-body scanners. >"The (body image scanning) technology is sent to the airports without the ability to save, transmit or print the images," said Greg Soule, TSA spokesman, in an interview with CBSNews.com. "At airports, the images are examined by a security officer in a remote location, and, once the image is cleared, they're deleted." http…

>> >"The (body image scanning) technology is sent to the airports without the ability to save, transmit or print the images,...and, once the image is cleared, they're deleted."

Perhaps from the machine, but what prevents a TSA viewer in the remote location from snapping an image of the screen with their smartphone, or wearing an always-on logging camera to the workstation?

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by f6v »

the_snooze wrote: post #91
f6v wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a false dichotomy for me. I understand many people make money off it, but I just don’t want to see any ads. And I believe if a person needs something, they should be able to find it. But buying stuff because you see a banner? If the banner was the only reason you bought an item, maybe you didn’t need it in the first place.

You might have too narrow a conception of what advertising tries to do. It doesn't necessarily try to induce demand. Instead, it tries to direct demand towards a certain direction. Everyone knows what Coca-Cola is. But Coke still heavily advertises worldwide. It's not to make people thirsty when they see the ad. It's to make thirsty people think "Huh, a Coke would be quite nice right now" when they're at the store.

TV ads, billboards - yes. But internet ads are very different.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by the_snooze »

toss1 wrote: post #132
the_snooze wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're probably joking, but the TSA has made that exact argument for their full-body scanners. >"The (body image scanning) technology is sent to the airports without the ability to save, transmit or print the images," said Greg Soule, TSA spokesman, in an interview with CBSNews.com. "At airports, the images are examined by a security officer in a remote location, and, once the image is cleared, they're deleted." http…

>> >"The (body image scanning) technology is sent to the airports without the ability to save, transmit or print the images,...and, once the image is cleared, they're deleted." Perhaps from the machine, but what prevents a TSA viewer in the remote location from snapping an image of the screen with their smartphone, or wearing an always-on logging camera to the workstation?

The TSA's proud culture of professionalism and integrity, of course.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by cosmie »

segmondy wrote: post #46
pja wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently, a website I had only visited once somehow cross-referenced the cookies available through my browser to work out my email address & directly emailed me to invite me to sign up for their services. This has to be a GDPR violation, I certainly didn’t give consent for them to email me, but people are still doing this kind of thing apparently.

For years I had a professional email and a non-pro email address that I kept separated. Personal email for job applications/linkedin/bills etc, non-pro for regular surfing. It's worked great until last year. I think it's Google cuz I login from the same browser/device, but they eventually linked it and I'm now being contacted by recruiters via my non-pro email which pretty much unmasks me and my social media accounts…

I doubt it was Google itself – Google is a one-way sieve when it comes to data. Google allows advertisers to tap into their user graph for targeting and attribution, but they don't actually give access to user-level info in any meaningful form, let alone in a form that would allow you to get your hands on user emails. The closest you can get is Ads Data Hub[1], which requires advertisers to import their first party data into the (very expensive) Google-controlled environment to work, and is designed so that Google's identifiers can be used for joins and aggregate functions but can't be directly returned in queries.

There are providers that directly exploit their graph by selling the PII within it, such as GetEmails[2] (and the publishers they source data from). But Google isn't one of them.

[1] https://developers.google.com/ads-data-hub

[2] https://martech.zone/getemails-identify-anonymous-visitors/

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by toss1 »

f6v wrote: post #70
the_snooze wrote: post #12

>The challenge for personalized ads market will be significant if the first two weeks end up reflecting a long-term trend. Adtech is basically highly-paid people sniffing your underwear trying to figure out what you had for breakfast. And they get all indignant when you say "hey cut it out, that's kind of weird."

I think the users have brought it on themselves. Almost everyone wants free content, more, more of it! Just say: “You know what? I’m not gonna watch these cat videos on YouTube cause there’s an outrageous number of ads!” Or (and I’m going to sound crazy) we could skip scrolling Instagram and just read a book or take a walk when we need to unwind. Google search is harder to escape, of course.

I'd say it is more the blame on the industry's failure to deliver a usable micropayments system.

I'd be happy to pay a few pennies or dimes for every article I open to skim or read. But I cannot and will not pay the 2-3 figure subscriptions demanded by every publisher.

There is a range of choice, all too high to commit to one, so the only one that gets my money is the Guardian, with a donate-what-you can model. The rest I put up with generally avoiding them, and reading only a few per month before the paywall goes up.

If micropayments don't work, I'd also happily pay a single subscription in the $hundreds/year for access to around a dozen of the publications, but no one offers that to my knowledge (if anyone knows of such a service, please post!)

But to blame the users when they clearly state their preferences at the first opportunity, and the industry has failed for decades to provide such an opportunity.. nope.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by matheusmoreira »

paulcole wrote: post #44
the_snooze wrote: post #12

>The challenge for personalized ads market will be significant if the first two weeks end up reflecting a long-term trend. Adtech is basically highly-paid people sniffing your underwear trying to figure out what you had for breakfast. And they get all indignant when you say "hey cut it out, that's kind of weird."

Rivaled only by the indignity of those proudly and unironically proclaiming, “I own the result of my HTTP request and consider blocking ads and still taking advantage of not paying for content my god-given right.”

Yeah, I'm one of those and I'm not ashamed.

I do own the HTTP response. It's on my computer and in my control. Sites that require payment before responding could do something like return 402 Payment Required or simply refuse to send me anything. If they send me ads I'll delete them. I can rip out and trash the ads I find in magazines, there's no reason websites should work differently.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by mekkkkkk »

f6v wrote: post #70
the_snooze wrote: post #12

>The challenge for personalized ads market will be significant if the first two weeks end up reflecting a long-term trend. Adtech is basically highly-paid people sniffing your underwear trying to figure out what you had for breakfast. And they get all indignant when you say "hey cut it out, that's kind of weird."

I think the users have brought it on themselves. Almost everyone wants free content, more, more of it! Just say: “You know what? I’m not gonna watch these cat videos on YouTube cause there’s an outrageous number of ads!” Or (and I’m going to sound crazy) we could skip scrolling Instagram and just read a book or take a walk when we need to unwind. Google search is harder to escape, of course.

You could use the same defense for drug dealers. "Why don't you just read a book instead of smoking crack?"
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