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Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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I think everything you read is true, but also I think speaks to the overabundance of supply. To put this in a different light - people (here among all places) are especially sick of firms like Accenture/IBM/etc. of loading up projects with unexperienced junior people and putting absurd markup on their services. Which one do people want? Paying for soccer teams full of inexperienced people learning on the job or promi…

> people (here among all places) are especially sick of firms like Accenture/IBM/etc. of loading up projects with unexperienced junior people and putting absurd markup on their services Are people sick of the inexperienced teams, or are they sick of being scammed ? IIRC, that business model usually starts with a bait-and-switch - they company will send their best people first, to make an impression and get the client…

The reason I put Atos on my blacklist is experiencing a case where their contracted support was so bad, I had to do things twice - first I had to do what they should do, then design a step-by-step document that graphically showed each button to click (essentially "programming the person") and send that to them...

After escalations, they finally noticed client got angry and suddenly there was someone skilled at the other end. But I suspect it was exception and only for a short time.

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I think the whole idea of this being work for $0 is incorrect. The "pay" comes in the exposure and authority the photographer will build after doing this. If you're going to hire a wedding photographer, all things being equal, if one says they did the photos for a show that you are familiar with, or appeared in magazines you're familiar with - that is worth a great deal in marketing value. A smart photographer can bu…

The Oatmeal gives a good response to this. https://theoatmeal.com/comics/exposure As others have said, your argument is popular with business owners trying to avoid paying money to workers, but in reality it largely just excludes anyone who is not from a privileged background.

I’m actually coming at this from a marketing based background. It’s just obvious to me how a photographer could take huge advantage of this, but of course they would need to know how to promote correctly.

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The promotional aspects could be worth much more than whatever money they'd earn.

This is one of those things often asserted but rarely proven.

You don't know of any person in a service trade that did promo work to build their portfolio?

I know auto mechanics, actors, hair people, nail people, home inspectors, photographers, and cooks who have done free work for free promotions.

Some people hate on the concept but it's how people get their start in an industry.

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> The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. One of the founding pillars of the United States was the support of "unpaid work in a pretty major way".

That was...not a founding pillar of the United States. It's fairly well documented that the Founding Fathers were pretty much all opposed to slavery, but saw it as a huge political shit sandwich that would jeopardize Federalization. The United States is one of the only unions on the planet in which every single member state (without exception) voluntarily ratified and agreed to join. Had the Founding Fathers pushed f…

> It's fairly well documented that the Founding Fathers were pretty much all opposed to slavery,

They couldn't have been that opposed to it or they themselves wouldn't have kept owning slaves.

Sure, Washington freed 'his' slaves when he died (modulo complications such as he intended them to be freed on Martha's death, but she freed 'his'--not 'hers'--early), but until then he did stuff like rotating 'his' slaves out of Philadelphia every few months so he wouldn't have to free them. (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_Posey which includes this quote: "The general's cook ran away, being now in Philadelphia, and left a little daughter of six at Mount Vernon. Beaudoin ventured that the little girl must be deeply upset that she would never see her father again; she answered, "Oh! Sir, I am very glad, because he is free now.")

And not to get into Jefferson and Hemings, whom he started raping when she was 14 (whether you think a slave can consent, a child can not), and kept enslaved (along with their children) until his death.

> The United States is one of the only unions on the planet in which every single member state (without exception) voluntarily ratified and agreed to join

That 'without exception' is doing a lot of work in the case of Hawaii.

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Literally everything you describe in that comment after the first sentence is in accordance with slavery being a founding pillar of the United States.

With respect, that's a pretty asinine reading of the comment. Slavery was not a founding pillar of the United States, any more than monarchy is a founding pillar of the European Union just because some of its member states happen to be Constitutional monarchies. In fact, it should be quite clear from that comment that not only was slavery NOT a foundational pillar of the United States, it was the opposite of a founda…

'Foundational' or not, it was certainly load-bearing as its attempted (and incomplete) removal almost brought the whole thing down.

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If someone makes you an offer and you say, "no" and they walk away, that isn't predatory.

If you offer someone with the expectation they can't say no, that is in fact predatory. Many of these people have been loongg without work, I doubt they didn't expect people to bite thinking this is their big Hollywood break. I can offer a bum $1000 to stab a guy for YouTube, but if he happens to say no and walks away, that's not predatory? I know it's a stretch, but that is the core argument you are making

> If you offer someone with the expectation they can't say no, that is in fact predatory.

In the absence of coercion or fraud, the offering party's expectations are irrelevant.

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The organization may not care, but for them it is free.

So what's the problem exactly? The rich kids who don't need the money get exploited for free labor, and?

They still get valuable experience that pays off in the future through networking, experience, etc. It starts the snowball of success.

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holywood is based on it too. I gues netflix will merge the worst of both worlds. The actors guild union actually demand you work as a almost-no-pay extra/support for several productions before you are even admitted to the union. not to mention the informal but prevalent culture of "assistants" where people stabilished in the industry takes in people they treat as literal vassals doing errands.

>The actors guild union actually demand Not sure this is true. Can you point to where in the bylaws this is stated?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Actors_Guild#Becoming_a...

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This is less about "can" and more about "should". It's bad for everybody when professionals work "for publicity" or are encouraged to do so, despite the relative innocence of the professional who chooses to do so. For the least subtle take on this possible, see: https://youtu.be/mj5IV23g-fE

The amusing irony of that video is that he mostly likely asked to get paid for that interview and now it's on YouTube for free, giving him exposure. :)

True, though I wouldn't be surprised if he contacted somebody about this video at some point. Either way, it is the bittersweet truth that Ellison no longer has need for publicity nor payment.
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