LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by rocqua » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

Clubber wrote: post #174

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

I took it really seriously when I saw videos of hospitals in NYC stacking bodies in a freezer truck because there were just too many. They should have shown that more. I usually assume anchors and reporters exaggerate for ratings today, so they've lost a lot of credibility. When I see a video, I get an unfiltered view of what's going on. As a side note, I implore people to watch police interaction videos and how ofte…

Video tends to be more truthful, but news outlets who lie to you, will also only show video that supports their point.

Video helps drive a point home emotionally, but it is not at all a source of less biased reporting. Driving a point home emotionally is important, and the point 'covid bad' seems like it needs to be driven home more. But don't believe news just cause it shows videos.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by dweekly » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

Totally agreed.

In terms of a "graphic exposé on the reality of COVID" - if you haven't seen "76 Days" yet, I would strongly recommend it. It is a wincingly direct and raw documentary - no editorializing or narrative overlay, just real, high resolution footage of a city of millions of people fending off a deadly virus, shot in close quarters with the physicians attending to those dying and their families.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12801326/

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by o-__-o » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:26 AM UTC

ddingus wrote: post #203

ridethebike wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My relative tells everyone that "this whole covid panic" is blown out of proportion - he got covid and it was "meh, no worse than flu" for him

Those are the worst. They have a mild case and there basically is no convincing them otherwise, unless someone close to them has a different experience.

>unless someone close to them has a different experience.

my partner could not give two trucks that i was sick. through the sleepless gasping nights where i was wondering if it was time to go to the hospital, my partner blamed it on anxiety. when i couldn't feel my feet, my partner thought it was due to me not eating (because food tasted like paper). this all culminated with my partner calling me lazy for sleeping all day. it really woke me up to their attitude and has reshaped the trajectory of our relationship. as of now it's pretty much just a show so our kids don't end up too messed up

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by winrid » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:27 AM UTC

shard wrote: post #99

abhishekjha wrote: post #44

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Is there any study or papers on people who actively go through such content? What changes about them after?

I'm not aware of any studies, but there are several articles on the content moderators. Some effects mentioned were: - people develop severe anxiety while still in training, and continue to struggle with trauma symptoms long after they leave - conspiracy videos and memes that they see each day gradually lead them to embrace fringe views - Fired employees regularly threatened to return to work and harm their old colle…

This is very upsetting that these people go through this just so a website can be "clean".

Of course it's a kind of a "greater good" question, but that still upsets me.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by rocqua » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

Kye wrote: post #161

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

I took covid seriously when a doctor I follow on Twitter shared how bad things were early on.

I am European, and I recall seeing Italian nurses warning the rest of Europe to take this seriously. They were saying this because they were running out of ventilators and their morgues were overflowing.

That's when I started taking it seriously, 1 week later my country hit lockdown. This was somewhere in March.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by imranq » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:30 AM UTC

Why is there so much fetishization of violent content in the comments? Sure maybe liveleak provided some footage you couldn't get on youtube and that is indeed a loss, but to think that the violence you see represents the truth is just as bad as denying that any bad happens in the world.

The world is far larger than any one mind can handle. I wouldn't judge it from a few videos taken out of context. The world can be a great place and so can the internet, buts it's easy to get PTSD from it. Browse responsibly.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by brigandish » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:31 AM UTC

bmiller2 wrote: post #23

reedjosh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute maybe the replacement?

Having never heard of bitchute, I just checked it out. It’s basically just right wing nut job stuff. I think LiveLeak at least was a little more “balanced”, in that it was about entertaining content, regardless of the political ideology.

If they're not stopping you from uploading and they don't hide videos from you (à la Youtube) then the content mainly being "right wing nut job stuff" is surely just a failure of non-right wing nut jobs to take advantage of such nowadys uncommon largesse.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ce4 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:32 AM UTC

kfprt wrote: post #184

Matticus_Rex wrote: post #108

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Video over Tor is not likely to catch on.

Video over Tor is surprisingly usable in my experience. Captchas are a much bigger problem.

Services that ask for captcha solving when on tor are probably hosted / delivered via cloudflare. Not an option for a hidden service.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ummonk » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:37 AM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #50

arthurcolle wrote: post #9

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Probably super easy to monetize. The world isn't just Google Ad{Word/Sense} and Facebook Ads

Who would want to serve ads on Liveleak beyond the sketchy penis enlargement people?

Safety device manufacturers (whether for OSHA type safety or crime safety) would actually have been a good industry for this.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by rocqua » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:37 AM UTC

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #157

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

Perhaps the lack of graphic Covid videos isn't because people are too shy to post them. Covid is nasty, but at the end it's just another respiratory viral disease, a.k.a. "common cold". It's just that before we ignored the human toll of the "common cold". (Yes, it is nasty and causes e.g. strokes and heart attacks and pneumonia. It's a leading cause of death that we never bothered to report before because we're so de…

The common cold does not overwhelm intensive care unit capacity. The common cold does not require some people to go on ventilators to survive.

This virus is worse than the common cold, by a lot. If treatment is available, it is not incredibly lethal. But treatment resources are finite, and the spread of the virus has been hard to stop.

Spread too much, resources run out and corona lethality spikes. Way before that, resources get diverted from other places, cancer treatments get delayed, nurse vacations get canceled (leading to burn out and hence less capacity in the long run).

Attitudes like this probably contribute a lot to corona spread being hard to reduce. People just ignore measures because "it's not that bad". Sure, your chances of dying if you ignore rules is probably low. But the larger consequences go beyond you.