LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by tux1968 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:12 AM UTC

buryat wrote: post #96

spoonjim wrote: post #55

Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

read your depicts and > I think the world has lost a valuable resource. nothing of the value has been lost. You don't need to see this to understand that horrible things happen in the world.

With respect, a lot of people disagree with you... even a lot of people posting personal testimonials on this page. Seeing something can have a much more profound impact than simply being told about it.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by wyattpeak » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:16 AM UTC

buryat wrote: post #96

spoonjim wrote: post #55

Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

read your depicts and > I think the world has lost a valuable resource. nothing of the value has been lost. You don't need to see this to understand that horrible things happen in the world.

I think the very fact that reading those descriptions is confronting, if it is to you as it is to me, is evidence that you do need exposure to understand that horrible things happen in the world.

I understand it academically, but every time I see or read something like this I realise that I don't really understand it.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by smabie » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:17 AM UTC

buryat wrote: post #96

spoonjim wrote: post #55

Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

read your depicts and > I think the world has lost a valuable resource. nothing of the value has been lost. You don't need to see this to understand that horrible things happen in the world.

I strongly disagree. Out of sight out of mind.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:17 AM UTC

Kranar wrote: post #36

duxup wrote: post #20

Why couldn't they make enough money to stay in business?

I don't feel like posting the alternative, but there is a much more extreme alternative to LiveLeak that makes LiveLeak look like eye bleach and I suspect much of LiveLeak's users moved over to it. LiveLeak was in a weird position because it allowed full on gore but it also kind of tried to pretend to be a serious site reporting actual events. I suspect most people going to LiveLeak were not interested in seeing a le…

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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by inoffensivename » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:17 AM UTC

irjustin wrote: post #28

Mixed feelings from me. I remember the Hussein video. I never believed in the vision, but they hosted important events I simply could not see from other sites. Reddit users rely on it and I knew what I was getting into if I clicked on a LiveLeak link. Separately, being a content moderator for LL must be absolute hell. While you must filter for illegal things, you're actually expected to watch through the death and go…

the YouTube moderators I've met at Google can get a bit of a faraway look when talking about some of the things they'd seen

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by buryat » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:18 AM UTC

good.

Human suffering should not be monetized.

Perpetrators must not get any audience at all and must have no outlet for showcasing their acts.

If you must watch gore to see the "real world" then you're part of the problem. Empathy doesn't require seeing someone getting dismembered.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by Matticus_Rex » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:18 AM UTC

ezconnect wrote: post #90

acituan wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place, with also violence in it. Our cognition is heavily biased towards saliencing and preserving the scary bits, and being exposed to a planet scale showcase of those bits does not necessarily make us wiser (e.g. better decision makers). At least for me personally it took a dec…

There are a few places in the world with little violence you are lucky to be in that place that you don't have to worry too much about your life everyday.

Compared to what? There are very few places in the world with the kind of violence that has been commonplace for most of world history. Yes, violent things happen everywhere, but most people in most places don't have to worry for their physical safety most of the time. That's a relatively new phenomenon.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by Matticus_Rex » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:20 AM UTC

baron_harkonnen wrote: post #81

raunak wrote: post #4

Similar to bestgore.com - I suppose as the Internet becomes more and more just Google-land, niche websites such as these two will continue to disappear.

I’m still surprised that Tor hidden services never filled that gap. As more and more stuff disappears from the clear web, I assumed more people would realize that .onion sites don’t have to be a wasteland of largely spooky scams. But if anything the quality of hidden services seems to have declined in recent years. I’m guessing it’s a mix of darknet FUD combined with less and less people knowing how to host a website…

Video over Tor is not likely to catch on.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by tyingq » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:20 AM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #10

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #3

I don't imagine it was easy to monetize most of the content they were hosting.

But if your content is free and you don't really moderate, what's hosting cost? Just gotta appeal to your clientele and your advertising will be successful. Maybe I should white-label purchase some beef jerky and just advertise on sites like this.

Hosting video with lots of views probably isn't cheap.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by moralestapia » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:20 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #88

moralestapia wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place It isn't, you are lucky to be in a privileged environment. And I don't even mean warzones. People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you.

But LiveLeak doesn't help anyone understand the constant crushing stress of being unable to afford necessities. OP said 'scary and violent', and on that scale things really aren't that bad.

Actually, a significant portion of the videos portrayed the life of the homeless, the sick, people under the influence of drugs/alcohol, and other things that you don't usually find on the usual platforms.