Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Netflix won't pay you, who the fuck will? Whats the value of 'promotion' at that point?
> If Netflix won't pay you, who the fuck will? Couples who want that photographer they saw on TV.
^ Hello, answer here folks.
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right but abusive and predatory behaviour is STILL abusive and predatory in an oversupply situation.
One time someone asked me for a favor. I thought it was unreasonable so I declined. I didn't realize this sort of thing was "abusive and predatory." I feel so victimized now.
> One time someone asked me for a favor. I thought it was unreasonable so I declined. I didn't realize this sort of thing was "abusive and predatory." I feel so victimized now.
This is uninteresting from my POV and against the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
> Be kind. Don't be snarky.
Please help keep HN interesting. Thanks.
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#113The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…
>I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. When I worked with interns they were all paid... but every one was more time and expense to work with than any value they provided. In weeks they accomplished what I could do in an afternoon, and we spent WAY more than an afternoon of work with them. Amazingly many seemed to have a very high opinion of their productivit…
It doesn't matter how much faster a full employee could complete a task. They are giving up their labor and should be compensated accordingly. If the company can't figure out how to derive value from that labor, that's its own fault.
Moreover, if companies weren't getting value out of internships, they wouldn't continue hiring interns.
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#114I might get downvoted for that, I still gonna say it: That might be due to the demand-supply situation in photography. They probably will find photographers doing this for the promotion effect described in the email.
This is less about "can" and more about "should". It's bad for everybody when professionals work "for publicity" or are encouraged to do so, despite the relative innocence of the professional who chooses to do so. For the least subtle take on this possible, see: https://youtu.be/mj5IV23g-fE
> It's bad for everybody when professionals work "for publicity" or are encouraged to do so
It's important that we not allow our moral judgments to interfere with the facts. This is obviously false.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please expand on why you think so. Edit: Any why this is the case, in this situation. Please explain? (I'm not from the US - I may be missing something.)
Because exploiting people is wrong.
The opportunity is worth a lot of future business.
Do you think people get paid when they give a radio interview? They are using the radio as a platform for selling.
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#116I might get downvoted for that, I still gonna say it: That might be due to the demand-supply situation in photography. They probably will find photographers doing this for the promotion effect described in the email.
This is less about "can" and more about "should". It's bad for everybody when professionals work "for publicity" or are encouraged to do so, despite the relative innocence of the professional who chooses to do so. For the least subtle take on this possible, see: https://youtu.be/mj5IV23g-fE
There’s an entire 2 million subscriber subreddit that was built on screen caps of people trying to pay in “exposure”… r/ChoosingBeggars
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#117The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…
>I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. When I worked with interns they were all paid... but every one was more time and expense to work with than any value they provided. In weeks they accomplished what I could do in an afternoon, and we spent WAY more than an afternoon of work with them. Amazingly many seemed to have a very high opinion of their productivit…
If you expect to get immediate value you are doing it wrong.
The point is to build relationships with a good school and get a pipeline of applicants that will eventually become great engineers.
I recall someone whining he couldn't find good junior engineers. I suggested he go to his local (pretty good) CS school. He then started to whine that they all were already interning at good companies and were transitioning to full time and there was no way for him to break-in!
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#118The scenario I imagine will play out will be something like the following.
Netflix get a sizable amount of applications from photographers of varying degree of skill and walks of life. Among these will be a few highly valuable photographers. Well established to carry out their part of this project.
These photographers are somewhat financially secure, and doing this without compensation isn't an issue. They might even frame this situation as a collaboration on equal terms.
On Instagram and the professional blog, the lucky one share posts describing the appreciation for getting the opportunity of helping Netflix out, the wonderful team and how much they look forward to Love is Blind.
Status isn't blind.
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#119I might get downvoted for that, I still gonna say it: That might be due to the demand-supply situation in photography. They probably will find photographers doing this for the promotion effect described in the email.
Right but abusive and predatory behaviour is STILL abusive and predatory in an oversupply situation.
It's clear asking a professional to do this and not being up front about paying $0 is unprofessional and a disrespectful waste of time, but I'm not convinced it's actually predatory or abusive.
If someone thinks they'll get more than $their_cost in promotion value, they'll do it. If not, they won't.
If no one does, the production company is going to waste a lot of time and burn their reputation trying to avoid what's probably a relatively small expense compared to the budget of their show.
It would be even worse if someone wrote an article about it.. oops.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. When I worked with interns they were all paid... but every one was more time and expense to work with than any value they provided. In weeks they accomplished what I could do in an afternoon, and we spent WAY more than an afternoon of work with them. Amazingly many seemed to have a very high opinion of their productivit…
> But I don't know about this idea that interns are somehow a gateway to getting value out of people for free. Interns in experience (outside of maybe a unicorn out there) are not productive ... We use internships as a pipeline to hire. We pay them for their time, they get real world experience. We both get quality time together to see if long term this is a good fit. Those who start full time ramp up much faster and…
I had a paid internship that was essentially this and enjoyed it greatly. I wasn't paid particularly well but my workload was a project that I probably took about ten times as long to do as I would today. During the run of the internship I was brought into discussions on design and worked under someone who managed to put up with a flood of questions that I sent at them.
I was hired at the end of my internship and switched over to regular work and grew as an independent employee to handle more serious workloads. My internship was an investment that the company paid into me (and other folks) and by the time I left the company I feel like I more than paid that back.
It's essentially just a probationary period at the start of employment but with much less expectation to retain the employee and less commitment from the potential employee to stay on.