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Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by munk-a »

StavrosK wrote: post #2

As the article admits, they'll probably find someone to do this for free. And if someone agrees to do this for free, we'll, that's how much it costs. I'm sure they'll get their money's worth.

Gosh, the way I want this story to shake out is that they find someone to do the work and the photographer just shows up with their phone and takes a few blurry snaps forcing the show to re-shoot those scenes or go without any promotional photographs.

Taking this job is honestly a financial liability - there's a chance your fancy equipment will be damaged (you should calculate wear and tear into the costs for every job) so be sure not to use anything that costs more than the expected damages.

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Post by notyourwork »

duxup wrote: post #42
munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

>I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. When I worked with interns they were all paid... but every one was more time and expense to work with than any value they provided. In weeks they accomplished what I could do in an afternoon, and we spent WAY more than an afternoon of work with them. Amazingly many seemed to have a very high opinion of their productivit…

> But I don't know about this idea that interns are somehow a gateway to getting value out of people for free. Interns in experience (outside of maybe a unicorn out there) are not productive ...

We use internships as a pipeline to hire. We pay them for their time, they get real world experience. We both get quality time together to see if long term this is a good fit. Those who start full time ramp up much faster and are generally successful in their career.

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Post by aantix »

skeeks wrote: post #47
aantix wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you assume they're desperate? If I took a gig like this, I'd be damn sure that: 1) I am included in the rolling credits, 2) I have several cameo shots within the show, 3) I can use thumbnails of my appearances within my own web site and 4) that I am able to use the show's logo and likeness to promote my own business. My site would lead off with : "Award winning photographer. You may have seen my work recent…

1) Nobody reads them. 2) nice, but not useful for further business. 3,4) maybe the contracts would disallow that.

1) The credits? That's not the point. This isn't a hail mary hoping someone discovers you via rolling credits. It's a way of solidifying your role in this production - so that if someone double checks, did you really help in this production, you are accounted for.

2) Could be useful for future business. It's a display of authority if positioned right. Just like any good portfolio piece.

3,4) Then don't take the contract.

With any business, you are trying to project trust, authority, quality. You could leverage this as such.

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Post by duxup »

aiisahik wrote: post #29

People who think this is predatory have clearly NOT worked in the TV / Film industry. Doing shit jobs for free in the hopes of getting some cred is the norm. Not right but not news. BTW just because it's going to be on Netflix doesn't mean Netflix is the employer. Netflix just buys the content. The staffing / contract decisions are made by the production company.

Even if you're established in your career ... they'll ask you. As Harlan Ellison demonstrates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

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Post by mensetmanusman »

shoto_io wrote: post #5

I might get downvoted for that, I still gonna say it: That might be due to the demand-supply situation in photography. They probably will find photographers doing this for the promotion effect described in the email.

Right, that means only wealthy photographers (from family, etc.) can do this.

This is where the injustice comes from when ‘unpaid internships’ equals we only want rich kids to work for us. It’s how the situation propagates through time.

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Post by medicineman »

aiisahik wrote: post #29

People who think this is predatory have clearly NOT worked in the TV / Film industry. Doing shit jobs for free in the hopes of getting some cred is the norm. Not right but not news. BTW just because it's going to be on Netflix doesn't mean Netflix is the employer. Netflix just buys the content. The staffing / contract decisions are made by the production company.

If you don't like, you can always build your own netflix.

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by burnished »

jf22 wrote: post #30
Ensorceled wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right but abusive and predatory behaviour is STILL abusive and predatory in an oversupply situation.

The promotional aspects could be worth much more than whatever money they'd earn.

If Netflix won't pay you, who the fuck will? Whats the value of 'promotion' at that point?

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Post by Judgmentality »

notyourwork wrote: post #43
munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

I don't know anyone during my time as a student that took an unpaid internship. How common is this? All the internships and jobs my classmates and friends were getting involved an exchange of money for goods/services. Who is taking an unpaid internship and why? edit: I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted for not having been exposed to this. If you're willing to take an unpaid internship it's your own fault.

Are you in the US? Also, are you in engineering/tech? Tech internships tend to pay surprisingly well, but many other fields in the US don't pay anything for internships and it's a notable exception when they do.

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Post by KittenInABox »

notyourwork wrote: post #43
munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

I don't know anyone during my time as a student that took an unpaid internship. How common is this? All the internships and jobs my classmates and friends were getting involved an exchange of money for goods/services. Who is taking an unpaid internship and why? edit: I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted for not having been exposed to this. If you're willing to take an unpaid internship it's your own fault.

I know this is common in politics, activism, and certain law positions. I also know volunteer positions are expected of pre-medical students now.
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