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Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

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Re: Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

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THIS is the first time I read about this bug. How incredible is that not to tell your users about that? But okay, if at all I expect it from dropbox. It's already the second time they don't care about their promise so much (at least towards me). I will quit them just now. But to not say just bad things: This kind of info here on HN is so very much important. That is exactly why I read here, to read what I can't read…

I got an email notification from Dropbox on June 23rd as follows: Hi Lance, On June 19, 2011, we had a software bug that caused authentication issues. You can read more about it in our blog post. Our records show that your account wasn't improperly logged into during this time. We are writing to you because one or more users you share a Dropbox folder with logged into their account during that period. We have no reas…

That's 00:01 on the 23rd New Zealand time - anywhere else it would have been the 22nd.

Re: Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

#33
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Say you run a small startup and accidentally push out a production bug like this. What should your response be? Does it matter whether it's been reported by someone else or you discover it yourself? Does it matter whether you're a sole proprietor or a formal business entity? And in general should you form an entity to shield yourself from personal liability because of the remote chance something like this happens? Do…

Immediately lock-down, then communicate to all affected before doing a root cause analysis and taking steps to ensure it doesn't happen again. Dropbox faltered on the communication, and they made claims about their security which hasn't been backed up by practise. They stated that they would communicate to those whose accounts were 'compromised', yet those 'affected' by this was literally every user they have. They s…

I can't help but feel like most of what you're saying doesn't really matter with respect to getting sued or not.

Does it really matter whether advertise that they are secure or not? If security wasn't listed all of their site, would that have mattered?

Does it matter whether they wrote a lessons learned blog post?

And as far as communication goes, Drew did respond and I thought the response was pretty good [1]. It was not immediate, nor should it have been. They had to determine the extent of the breach, consult with their lawyers, devise an appropriate strategy, etc.

It's not as simple as immediately notifying every account holder. That's what... 30 million people? Less than 100 accounts were actually exploited--why create mass hysteria when you can simply notify the small batch that were actually impacted? As bad as this situation is for them, awareness is mostly confined to the tech elite which in the grand scheme of things is a pretty good outcome.

[1] http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/24/dropbox-breach-fewer-than-1...

Re: Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

#34
Disclaimer: Subjective, no offense intended.

This is once again proving that, while I understand the language, probably shop the same things, the USA is a strange place for me. This 'just sue' culture seems weird. It seems that the whole point is to run to the court and claim 'He did something wrong. Please spend a lot of time to check that I actually have a point and if I'm lucky, please define a grossly exaggerated sum in damages'.

I _know_ I'll take flak for this, but it warps my mind. The nation that always, even if it hurts, defends the right of free speech, seems to severely limited elsewhere. It sure looks like you can _say_ anything, but _doing_ anything could lead to a nightmarish jungle (political correctness/discrimination, braindead users don't get the concept of 'hot coffee' and it's your fault, chocolate eggs with toys inside are mightily dangerous) of potential problems.

Re: Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you see the OP, the woman behind the lawsuit seems angry that she had to find out about it in the news rather than with Dropbox informing her. That is a serious mistake and one that Dropbox should take heat for. Bugs happen but not communicating to users was a deliberate move.

I completely agree. Dropbox made a huge mistake. Dropbox is run by humans, and humans make mistakes, that's life. But when it came to communicate the issue they screwed up IMHO. I shouldn't need to subscribe to their blog RSS to know this kind of stuff. They should have mailed everyone, encouraging users to change their passwords right away while they investigated the issue.

Why change their passwords? Isn't that FUD?

Re: Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

#36

Disclaimer: Subjective, no offense intended. This is once again proving that, while I understand the language, probably shop the same things, the USA is a strange place for me. This 'just sue' culture seems weird. It seems that the whole point is to run to the court and claim 'He did something wrong. Please spend a lot of time to check that I actually have a point and if I'm lucky, please define a grossly exaggerated…

  > political correctness/discrimination, braindead users
  > don't get the concept of 'hot coffee' and it's your
  > fault, chocolate eggs with toys inside are mightily 
  > dangerous)
All this looks like vicious circle to me: more and more common sense, simple thinking and moral judgement is "outsourced" to laws and people not bothering to think for themselves are becoming weaker and weaker at making this kind of decisions themselves :( PC for some reason irritates me greatly, I am not even sure why. Society moving towards total PC looks like Universe moving towards thermal death.

Re: Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

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According to the TOS, which all drop box users claimed of "reading and agreeing with" he's got no case ($100 at most)

see https://www.dropbox.com/terms#terms

Cloud brings risks, one shall be aware of it, and do the math of advantages/disadvantages.

I will keep my dropbox account, despite that incident, and know deep in my heart that such glitch can happen to me as well, no matter how well my develop/test/deploy routine is designed.

Having say that, I will never have anything high sensitive on any hosted machine, no matter who the provider is, unless it is strongly encrypted (that includes, pgp for sensitive mail (gmail) attachments, etc.)

I really hope dropbox will learn from this and continue improve their service as they have been doing since day one.

from the terms page:

    IN NO EVENT WILL DROPBOX BE LIABLE TO YOU OR TO ANY THIRD PARTY FOR DAMAGES OF ANY KIND, INCLUDING, 
    WITHOUT LIMITATION, DIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING LOSS OF 
    USE, DATA, BUSINESS OR PROFITS) ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT, OR FROM YOUR 
    ACCESS TO OR USE OF, OR INABILITY TO ACCESS OR USE, THE SITE, CONTENT, FILES AND/OR SERVICES, OR FOR 
    ANY ERROR OR DEFECT IN THE SITE, CONTENT, FILES OR SERVICES, WHETHER SUCH LIABILITY ARISES FROM ANY 
    CLAIM BASED UPON CONTRACT, WARRANTY, TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE), STRICT LIABILITY OR OTHERWISE, OR 
    ANY OTHER LEGAL THEORY, WHETHER OR NOT DROPBOX HAS BEEN INFORMED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE, 
    EVEN IF A REMEDY SET FORTH HEREIN IS FOUND TO HAVE FAILED OF ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE. YOU SPECIFICALLY 
    ACKNOWLEDGE THAT DROPBOX IS NOT LIABLE FOR THE DEFAMATORY, OFFENSIVE OR ILLEGAL CONDUCT OF OTHER USERS
     OR THIRD PARTIES AND THAT THE RISK OF INJURY FROM THE FOREGOING RESTS ENTIRELY WITH YOU. FURTHER, 
    DROPBOX WILL HAVE NO LIABILITY TO YOU OR TO ANY THIRD PARTY FOR ANY THIRD PARTY CONTENT UPLOADED ONTO 
    OR DOWNLOADED FROM THE SITE OR THROUGH THE SERVICES AND/OR THE FILES, OR IF YOUR DATA IS LOST, 
    CORRUPTED OR EXPOSED TO UNINTENDED THIRD PARTIES.

    FREE ACCOUNT HOLDERS: YOU AGREE THAT THE AGGREGATE LIABILITY OF DROPBOX TO YOU FOR ANY AND ALL CLAIMS 
    ARISING FROM THE USE OF THE SITE, CONTENT, FILES AND/OR SERVICES IS LIMITED TO TWENTY ($20) U.S. 
    DOLLARS. THE LIMITATIONS OF DAMAGES SET FORTH ABOVE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENTS OF THE BASIS OF THE 
    BARGAIN BETWEEN DROPBOX AND YOU.

    PREMIUM ACCOUNT HOLDERS: YOU AGREE THAT THE AGGREGATE LIABILITY OF DROPBOX TO YOU FOR ANY AND ALL 
    CLAIMS ARISING FROM THE USE OF THE SITE, CONTENT, FILES AND/OR SERVICES IS LIMITED TO LOWER OF THE 
    AMOUNTS YOU HAVE PAID TO DROPBOX DURING THE THREE MONTH PERIOD PRIOR TO SUCH CLAIM, FOR ACCESS TO AND 
    USE OF THE SITE, CONTENT, FILES OR SERVICES, OR ONE-HUNDRED ($100) DOLLARS. THE LIMITATIONS OF DAMAGES
     SET FORTH ABOVE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENTS OF THE BASIS OF THE BARGAIN BETWEEN DROPBOX AND YOU.

Re: Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

#38
post #18
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they'll pay for this mistake through bad press and lost customers. A punitive lawsuit isn't going to improve anything in terms of making sure they don't do it again.

How do you know? (Note that the point of a punitive lawsuit is not only to encourage the culprit not to do it again, but also to encourage other potential culprits not to do it again.) I guess the answer is "because it was just a mistake", but (1) not informing their customers promptly when they found they'd made a disastrous security screwup wasn't just a mistake, and (2) since they themselves say they're improving…

Lawsuit is also a good tool so scare others from just trying to do something useful—just in case someone sues on the first mistake.

Re: Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

#39
Would the "Limitations on Liability" section on their TOS help them in this case?

FREE ACCOUNT HOLDERS: YOU AGREE THAT THE AGGREGATE LIABILITY OF DROPBOX TO YOU FOR ANY AND ALL CLAIMS ARISING FROM THE USE OF THE SITE, CONTENT, FILES AND/OR SERVICES IS LIMITED TO TWENTY ($20) U.S. DOLLARS. THE LIMITATIONS OF DAMAGES SET FORTH ABOVE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENTS OF THE BASIS OF THE BARGAIN BETWEEN DROPBOX AND YOU.

PREMIUM ACCOUNT HOLDERS: YOU AGREE THAT THE AGGREGATE LIABILITY OF DROPBOX TO YOU FOR ANY AND ALL CLAIMS ARISING FROM THE USE OF THE SITE, CONTENT, FILES AND/OR SERVICES IS LIMITED TO LOWER OF THE AMOUNTS YOU HAVE PAID TO DROPBOX DURING THE THREE MONTH PERIOD PRIOR TO SUCH CLAIM, FOR ACCESS TO AND USE OF THE SITE, CONTENT, FILES OR SERVICES, OR ONE-HUNDRED ($100) DOLLARS. THE LIMITATIONS OF DAMAGES SET FORTH ABOVE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENTS OF THE BASIS OF THE BARGAIN BETWEEN DROPBOX AND YOU.

Re: Dropbox sued for June 19 Authentication Bug

#40

Disclaimer: Subjective, no offense intended. This is once again proving that, while I understand the language, probably shop the same things, the USA is a strange place for me. This 'just sue' culture seems weird. It seems that the whole point is to run to the court and claim 'He did something wrong. Please spend a lot of time to check that I actually have a point and if I'm lucky, please define a grossly exaggerated…

>braindead users don't get the concept of 'hot coffee' and it's your fault

The coffee was served hotter than it should have been, and wastely hotter than it would have been if it had been taken from the machine at home, it was served in a cup that was so difficult to open that the customer had to put it between her legs, and when the coffee was spilled she suffered 3th degree burns to her crotch.

And she only asked that they payed her medical expenses. It was the jury who gave her all those millions.

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