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Post by aliyfarah »

cleandreams wrote: post #273

I am a member of a discriminated against minority in tech and I find this level of wokeness appalling. We will sometimes politically disagree with our co-workers and I don't want to have to argue with them. It's dreary and demoralizing. Most of the time there is no change in views as a result and frankly, it's not worth my time. That said, it's very problematic to go into this controversy because one of the senior ma…

> I find this level of wokeness appalling.

Calling out a senior staff member when they state 'white supremecy doesn't exist' is 'appalling'....yeah ok bud

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Post by clarkmoody »

threatofrain wrote: post #243
JPKab wrote: post #209

"But Fried and his co-founder, David Heinemeier Hansson, had been taken aback by an employee post which argued that mocking customer names laid the foundation for racially-motivated violence, and closed the thread." Children understand that calling people names isn't the same as violence. At some point can we all admit that the most narcissistic, dramatic people are overly-indulged by this garbage? I'm at a startup n…

> Seeing good companies get torn to shreds by this campus idiocy reminds me of how insulated academia is from the real world. What does this have to do with academia?

Intellectuals are the priests of the new alliance of throne and altar.

http://profcj.org/alliance-of-throne-altar/

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

gowld wrote: post #166
seriousquestion wrote: post #148

white su·prem·a·cy; the belief that white people constitute a superior race and should therefore dominate society de·fund; prevent from continuing to receive funds Courtesy of the dictionary. This is not hard. Stop entertaining people who redefine words.

If it's you vs Merriam-Webster, I'll take Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defund > : to withdraw funding from and "withdraw" does not mean "remove completely" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20supremacy > 1 : the belief that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races > 2: the social, economic, an…

Check it again next year when the political winds have shifted and you'll find that Merriam-Webster has changed the definition again, like they did last year.

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Post by bulletsvshumans »

pedrosbmartins wrote: post #244
xenophonB wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, weirdly this ludicrous standard is never applied to leftist politics, for example suggesting that any criticism of inequality could "escalate" into the Holodomor or the Killing Fields of Cambodia, so therefore its important not to "normalize" such behaviour.

How is that even a valid comparison? It is logical that making fun of people for characteristics related to race could be escalated to more serious racist behavior, and therefore should be discouraged. But where is the logical connection between criticizing inequality and committing genocide?

In the case of Cambodia, I think the connection being suggested is that the genocide targeted "professionals and intellectuals"[0], essentially the bourgeoisie, or the wealthy (it was a communist revolution). So criticizing inequality is being framed as a slippery slope to killing rich people.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Fields

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Post by nsonha »

throwawaysea wrote: post #43

This author, Casey Newton, seems to be trying to push a narrative that Basecamp damaged itself by banning politics at work. But the anecdotes in here convince me that Basecamp did the right thing. The people involved in this exchange with Singer seem unhinged - demanding that someone declare that white supremacy exists at work? This type of cultish demand-oriented discourse is unacceptable in professional organizatio…

anytime anyone mentions "left" or "right" in their argument, I couldn't help but thinking the person is now short or actual argument and need to resort to name calling. And it's not just those 2 words, things like assigning people/practices a bunch of adjectives/nouns without elaboration too, that's a pattern very obvious to detect and can discredit your argument really quickly.

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Post by randallsquared »

joncalhoun wrote: post #239
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> : to withdraw funding from > and "withdraw" does not mean "remove completely" It certainly _can_ and usually _does_ mean remove completely. Examples: - "I'm withdrawing my student from this school" - "The peer review committee has decided to withdraw this erroneous paper from publication" - "I would like to withdraw $100 from my checking account" (It means the _whole_ $100) - "He is experiencing heroine withdrawal…

Go to the bank and say, "I would like to withdraw money from my account." Do they hand you your balance in cash, or ask you how much? Obviously one can withdraw all of something, but I'm skeptical of it meaning "all" by default.

It seems to me that "withdraw money" has a missing parameter.

If you used "withdraw the money from my account", that would imply all of the money. Of course, any customer service person would still want to confirm that by asking for more information before handing your balance over...

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Post by [deleted] »

thrownaway564 wrote: post #281
cleandreams wrote: post #273

I am a member of a discriminated against minority in tech and I find this level of wokeness appalling. We will sometimes politically disagree with our co-workers and I don't want to have to argue with them. It's dreary and demoralizing. Most of the time there is no change in views as a result and frankly, it's not worth my time. That said, it's very problematic to go into this controversy because one of the senior ma…

You - "one of the senior management team said white supremacy does not exist" article - "he questioned the existence of white supremacy at the company" Not the same

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by canadianfella »

JPKab wrote: post #277
threatofrain wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seeing good companies get torn to shreds by this campus idiocy reminds me of how insulated academia is from the real world. What does this have to do with academia?

Academia is where this ideology originated. It's where virtually all of the terminology came from. It's also where these employees were taught that collective identity dwarfs individual identity.

You’re right.
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