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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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God sounds like they needed to clean house if this was the kind of shit going on at work. Hopefully they can actually focus on the company goals after all this blows over.

This only gets worse if they hadn't. We have hours of these meetings every week. I attend a few hours to keep the target off me and turn off my camera to workout instead.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Do what I did in February:

Quit. Life's too short to waste time at a company that's forgotten it's purpose.

This ideology borders on cult like.

A good sign that you are dealing with an irrational ideology is non-sensical, illogical and inconsisten rules. For example, in this article, "Black" is capitalized everywhere its mentioned, and "white" isn't. There's nothing logically consistent about this, because it's a borderline religious ideology.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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It says you're at the first step along the path to genocide. Whether or not it is inevitable is irrelevant to where the path leads.

No. It's saying that allowing any lower level of the pyramid to exist and pervade allows for further levels to be built up. Whereas if that lower level doesn't exist, it's less likely that other forms of hate will develop and subvert society. It's the frog boiling in the water. It's a cautionary tale to know when the water is heating up and how to stop it.

I agree with your assessment. That is exactly why I stated that the overt message of the Pyramid of Hate is that laughing at funny names leads to genocide, because "allowing any lower levels of the pyramid to exist and pervade allows for further levels to be built up". Not sure what the disagreement is tbh.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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It is hard to argue that showing the pyramid of hate doesn't imply that laughing at names leads to genocide. That's very much the overt message - it's not even an implication.

> It is hard to argue that showing the pyramid of hate doesn't imply that laughing at names leads to genocide. I don't find it challenging to make that argument at all. "Laughing at names leads to genocide" to me implies that laughing at names is a necessary and sufficient condition to a genocide. The pyramid of hate, to me, implies that laughing at names is a necessary but not sufficient condition of genocide. There…

That would be a good argument if the statement was that "laughing at names leads inevitably to genocide."

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

#235
Serious question, how is "stop sounding like a white male" (a quote from Pixars "soul" movie) not racist?

ik its not exactly relevant to the article but I want to know...

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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When they DHH+Jason laid the 7 of us off from Highrise (the Basecamp CRM spin-off) no one even showed up online to say anything to us on our last day. Just the Head of Devops to turn off our access to things. (That guy at least apologized for no-one else being there) :/

I really enjoyed reading about and watching your videos about your turnaround of Highrise as it was happening. Tons of work. Hope you'll publish what happened at the end someday.

Thank you!

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

#237

I feel bad for everyone involved. This story made me realize that working at Basecamp is not something I would want to do in the future, primarily because DHH and Fried are so egotistic. However, it also makes me face the reality that I would not want to work with many of the people that resigned. Resigning over a random employee refusing to say that "white supremacy exists" is absurd. I imagine myself working at som…

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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I don’t follow. Why would you be suspended for that?

Because anyone who claims reverse racism exists is a defacto racist (even if they would deny it) becaus they obviously don't understand how racism works. If I had someone saying that shit in my company on a Zoom call, I would excuse myself, remove them from the call, schedule a 1 on 1 meeting with them, and explain to them that they need to take training on what racism is and how it is perpetrated, or leave.

Heh, you know, usually there's punctuation we use to denote sarcasm, lest anyone get the impression that this sort of draconian policing of ideology goes on at benkoworks.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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If it's you vs Merriam-Webster, I'll take Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defund > : to withdraw funding from and "withdraw" does not mean "remove completely" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20supremacy > 1 : the belief that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races > 2: the social, economic, an…

>> : to withdraw funding from > and "withdraw" does not mean "remove completely" It certainly _can_ and usually _does_ mean remove completely. Examples: - "I'm withdrawing my student from this school" - "The peer review committee has decided to withdraw this erroneous paper from publication" - "I would like to withdraw $100 from my checking account" (It means the _whole_ $100) - "He is experiencing heroine withdrawal…

Go to the bank and say, "I would like to withdraw money from my account." Do they hand you your balance in cash, or ask you how much?

Obviously one can withdraw all of something, but I'm skeptical of it meaning "all" by default.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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"demanding that someone declare that white supremacy exists at work" I would just love if you could point out this interaction to us. You have wildly mischaracterized it lmao.

Not the person you replied to, but this was a direct quote: > “The fact that you can be a white male, and come to this meeting and call people racist and say ‘white supremacy doesn't exist’ when it's blatant at this company is white privilege,” the employee said. “The fact that he wasn’t corrected and was in fact thanked — it makes me sick.” Isn't this employee declaring that "white supremacy" is "blatant at this com…

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