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Efficiency Is the Enemy

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Re: Efficiency Is the Enemy

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Post by Laarlf »

enkid wrote: post #89
Laarlf wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overregulation and bureaucracy are the downfall of the west. The sooner we realise that, the sooner we can fix it.

What does this mean? I'm pretty sure the main alternative- China - is both over regulated and is very bureaucratic.

The main alternative is noticing what went wrong over the last 70 or so years in the west and fixing that. You cannot escape the madness because globalisation made most countries very similiar. Growing the governments further and further did not help anyone but the biggest of companies.

And because the chinese really don't care a lot about regulations or bureaucracy, they actually achieve something.

Re: Efficiency Is the Enemy

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Post by Laarlf »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #120
periheli0n wrote: post #115

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There is a whole spectrum of bureaucracy and overregulation in the “West”. The EU is probably worst. The US are quite relaxed in comparison. The UK is somewhere in the middle.

> The US are quite relaxed in comparison. This is basically a myth at this point, bolstered by how much more we complain about it. The US made the colossal mistake of trying to do regulation at the federal level, basically equivalent to doing it at the EU level, which the EU is now attempting to do more of and discovering what a trash fire it is. And one of the big reasons for that is that the more centrally the regu…

YES YES YES. Policies and laws should be more local to adhere to the local situations in local areas. A politician in Berlin cannot understand the situation in a random town with 500 inhabitants and therefore should rarely have something to say about how life functions there.

Re: Efficiency Is the Enemy

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Post by mlac »

allenu wrote: post #79

Something that I've noticed recently is that in my work life, I'm finding there's more bureaucracy in what I do, mostly in the name of "efficiency". When you encounter a problem to solve, there's often a process already defined that is most efficient (or at least thought to be most efficient), when accomplishing tasks, there's a pre-defined way of laying out the tasks (i.e. tickets), updating them, reviewing them, an…

The thing that kills me about the ticketing systems is that they are often put into place in a way that is locally efficient but does not make sense globally.

For example, an application owner might have to submit a ticket to request an upgrade once a year (or when a new OS is supported). What often happens is that the application owner now has to know about, find, and correctly understand a form that they see once (or less) per year. That work has been offloaded from a single team (measurable impact to efficiency) to immeasurable shadow work for others in the organization. A form that would take 1 minute of effort from the team that runs the upgrade to fill out and track, because they are in it all day, ends up taking a half hour, cut across multiple starts and stops due to other similar interruptions.

This becomes pervasive (book your own travel with this system, book your own PTO here, track your time here, fill out tickets for this system, use the help desk ticketing system to request an application installation) and ends up eating a huge chunk of employee time doing unfamiliar overhead tasks on systems optimized for the team doing the work and not the customer. I think we are getting to the point where all of the systems that were designed to take away the need for administrative assistants may once again require an assistant to navigate efficiently.

Re: Efficiency Is the Enemy

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Post by spoonjim »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #129
spoonjim wrote: post #112

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How long term? For 10 years I’d invest in Google but for 100 I’d invest in his company.

How do they handle picking new executives? How will they replace this person when they are no longer able to perform the job at a high level?

The CEO I spoke to was at least the fifth or sixth. His son was the CEO in waiting and that guys son was a teenager doing dirty jobs on the factory floor so that when he is CEO he will have the workers’ respect and know how the business is done.

Re: Efficiency Is the Enemy

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Post by Laarlf »

createmyname wrote: post #128
Laarlf wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overregulation and bureaucracy are the downfall of the west. The sooner we realise that, the sooner we can fix it.

this is the best thing you as a person have. believe me. the point you lost all those regulations etc. some idiot will come and make you miserable... you won't even be able to believe you are controlled and manipulated by a idiot bunch! until then have fun...

You are always controlled and manipulated by idiots. The question is: how much can you do about that without doing something unlawful?

Re: Efficiency Is the Enemy

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Post by throwaway6734 »

Laarlf wrote: post #131
enkid wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this mean? I'm pretty sure the main alternative- China - is both over regulated and is very bureaucratic.

The main alternative is noticing what went wrong over the last 70 or so years in the west and fixing that. You cannot escape the madness because globalisation made most countries very similiar. Growing the governments further and further did not help anyone but the biggest of companies. And because the chinese really don't care a lot about regulations or bureaucracy, they actually achieve something.

Achieve what exactly?

Where is china producing cutting edge tech? They've consistently failed at in house chip design and production over the last 50 years.

Most major tech breakthroughs are still coming out of west plus japan and SK.

Re: Efficiency Is the Enemy

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Post by arthur_sav »

allenu wrote: post #79

Something that I've noticed recently is that in my work life, I'm finding there's more bureaucracy in what I do, mostly in the name of "efficiency". When you encounter a problem to solve, there's often a process already defined that is most efficient (or at least thought to be most efficient), when accomplishing tasks, there's a pre-defined way of laying out the tasks (i.e. tickets), updating them, reviewing them, an…

That's true for most things in life.

Some people "define a process / lay the foundation" and many more build on top of that.

Processes are disrupted by those few that stop to think of a better way but most people just go along.

It does make sense though, if we stopped to think and question every process then we'd be stuck at the start line instead of getting closer to the finish line.

Re: Efficiency Is the Enemy

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Post by enkid »

Aperocky wrote: post #95
enkid wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this mean? I'm pretty sure the main alternative- China - is both over regulated and is very bureaucratic.

> China - is both over regulated and is very bureaucratic. It's complicated, but that's not a correct assessment. China is not very much regulated at all - a regulation must be regular, but the enforcement of rules in China is anything but regular. On one side, you have the wild west (east?) of unregulated capitalism, on the other side, you have the Party coming down with the hammer over things it doesn't like, The b…

Sure. I was being mostly flippant, and you're correct, a regulation has to be regular. But I doubt the OP is seriously advocation we start inconsistently applying laws.
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