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The End of AMP

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Re: The End of AMP

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Whenver i am trying to share a news article with a friend, and Google throws up the AMP page at me, I take the time to select the original article link and share that. Websites deserve their own traffic, not Google's.

You don't need to do this. Clicking the Share button will grab the canonical URL, which is the original source article.

Re: The End of AMP

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This is clearly a separate discussion, but it’s interesting to consider why we’re always so eager to jail people for street crime, but it “seems really excessive” when it’s a white-collar crime.

That's because HN's audience is composed of a large majority of white collars, and from a larger perspective, 99% of politicians, judges, lawyers, journalists, columnists, editorialists and commentators are white collars. It's just empathy (in this case, misguided empathy). We can identify more easily with a white collar criminal than a blue collar criminal.

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Unlike a normal CDN, AMP does not serve the same content as the origin. You need to make a special, lite edition of the original web page which does not work on Safari or Firefox, and may not necessarily make your site faster. [1] You cannot switch AMP cache to another vendor if you want Google rank your AMP site higher. [2] You also need a speical TLS certificate with the CanSignHttpExchanges extension that can only…

> You need to make a special, lite edition of the original web page which does not work on Safari or Firefox AMP being a subset of HTML, that does not look accurate.

It is not just about the markup. Mozilla and Apple made it very clear they won't implement this (for good): https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/5745285984681984

Re: The End of AMP

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Then apply the "death penalty" to the company instead of people. A "death penalty" would also discourage gigantic companies, in general, as one out of hand division could kill the others. And if you claim that the workers don't deserve it, well, then exactly who DOES deserve it?

Or "jail" time for the company... Suspend them from operating or getting new clients while they are in "jail". And maybe have them forfeit all profits earned during their "jail" time. Really the possibilities of solution to some of these issues are endless, limited only by our creativity. We're just stuck as a society with what we already have and there is huge push back against anything out of the ordinary or creati…

I think this is society's greatest threat... We are unwilling to take risks to solve problems.

Re: The End of AMP

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That's because HN's audience is composed of a large majority of white collars, and from a larger perspective, 99% of politicians, judges, lawyers, journalists, columnists, editorialists and commentators are white collars. It's just empathy (in this case, misguided empathy). We can identify more easily with a white collar criminal than a blue collar criminal.

No, it’s because a violent pickpocket puts my loved ones in more immediate, direct danger than some ads loading a little slower on a website.

It is difficult to weigh actions that greatly harm one person against tiny annoyances to millions, but you could argue that the tiny annoyances to millions is a larger offense than violently robbing a single person on the street.

Re: The End of AMP

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My favorite way to avoid AMP is to use DuckDuckGo. :)

My least favorite way to avoid AMP is to use DuckDuckGo.

It seems like a pretty good search engine for desktop (research, tech, etc.), but for anything I want while on the road (community stuff, culture, restaurants) it's not good at all. But I suck it up and use DDG on my iPhone anyway, better that than risk losing my temper and throwing my phone into traffic.

Every year when WWDC rolls around, I hope that Apple is finally ready to announce WebExtensions for iOS. I'm pretty sure that building an AMP buster would be child's play. Keeping my fingers crossed… again… X,,

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Even a few weeks would likely be at least some disincentive; and anything less than that - like fines - runs the risk of being "costs of doing business" (e.g. most of the EU's laughably low fines, and US fines are very unpredictable, though at least somewhat higher). If it's not going to be imprisonment, then the fines need to be much quicker, and much higher; enough to threaten a corparation's viability. For some pe…

> e.g. most of the EU's laughably low fines Which is why in new legislation, fines are proportional - GDPR has fines at max 4% of global yearly revenue or 100 million euros, whichever is higher.

> GDPR has fines at max 4% of global yearly revenue

In other words, laughably low.

> or 100 million euros

Unless you're a small business, in which case they'll happily bury you.

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> Facebook offering to share unencrypted WhatsApp messages with Google where can I read more on why they allowed this?

It's written in your whatsapp backup settings.

I meant leaks or new information exposing how/why FB intentionally made backups unencrypted when storing on Google Drive.

I am aware that Whatsapp does this and have avoided Whatsapp’s Google Drive backup overall.

Re: The End of AMP

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“Avoid unnecessary JavaScript, plugins and bloat, and make your site easy-to-use.” If only web developers would follow this advice...

This is the thing that gets me.

The criticisms of AMP regarding how evil Google has been with it are all valid.

But to the average user that doesn't care (Remember, HN users are anything but average!), AMP is an absolute godsend. Normally when I view a news article on mobile, it's plagued with the scroll jumping around as things load, obnoxious controls, frequent freezing, and just overall a terrible experience.

AMP for the most part fixed all that. Pages load in only a second or two, and once they've loaded, they're smooth to scroll though and STAY smooth.

I don't do web development (Professionally anyways, I've got a couple small such total garbage. I just went to a few news sites, and the front pages sent me anywhere from 3.5 to 6 MB of JavaScript, and that's even with my ad blocker disabled. And then some of them started sending me even more once I started scrolling.

There's no reason for all this bloat. It does not take 3.5 MB of JavaScript to load content asynchronously and create some menus. And that's minified JavaScript.

So yeah...AMP is here to stay, and the users are grateful.

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