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I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Journalism has become such a tough field. I know a number of people who do OK in it. But I know a whole lot more who do writing-related stuff for companies that sell products.

Meh -- they've done themselves such harm in recent years by embracing activism and deliberate bias that it's hard for me to feel too bad for the industry. That said, I'll applaud whichever journalists are brave enough to start pushing their industry/art back towards objectivity and diversity of perspective.

This is a particularly naive viewpoint on journalism / the publishing industry. Journalists may be the face of the industry, but they're not the primary deciders. They don't control the business decisions, or indeed many of the individual editorial decisions.

Just like one little nugget of anecdata. I used to work at a radio station in a small market that was 1/3 stations run out of the same building by the same owner, an older conservative woman who inherited the business. One station was all-talk (AM) one was country (FM) and the other was classic rock (FM).

All. Three. Stations. Had to carry Rush Limbaugh over the objections of FM program managers. Why? Because Alvina liked Rush. She wanted to blanket the airwaves with his show. And she didn't have to deal with any competition in the little corner of the world where the stations aired. People don't see those decisions, though.

Granted this is a particular egregious example, but by and large TV/radio/cable/etc. programming is at a macro level dictated by upper echelons of the business, not by the front-line reporters or editors.

Print publishing has been gutted over the past 20+ years by a lot of factors. (Radio even longer, see Clear Channel, et al.)

Consolidation. A move from print publishing to web publishing that has required more and more intrusive tracking and obsession with clicks -- not quality, just "how many page views?" and then "how many uniques?" or whatever the metric du jour happens to be. I've been on the publishing side and corporate side, and I've never once heard a company factor quality of content into its advertising decisions. Which means it's a race to the bottom -- not in terms of bias, but in terms of "what gets eyeballs?"

People love to bitch about the quality of journalism, etc. but yet... they keep consuming it. They certainly don't want to pay for good journalism. Not as individuals, not with corporate marketing dollars. If an ad buyer can get 10x the clicks and leads with crap than they can get with well-reasoned and well-researched content? They'll buy crap every time. And blame the journalists/press/publications for the quality and then do it all over again.

Not to mention the effects of Google and Facebook, which are hard to understate.

Google has done a huge number on publications that initially managed to navigate the print -> online model. Its dominance on online ads has done a lot to harm publications, and not only monetarily. Facebook has trained people to expect their information funneled through their feeds and has inserted itself between the audience and publications. Traffic that used to come directly to the publication now funnels through Facebook -- or never actually arrives at the publication at all. Hard to make a buck that way.

This isn't even getting into consolidation of local newspapers by conglomerates and private equity[1].

If front-line journalists are biased one way, I assure you the upper management through ownership are biased in the other direction by and large, excepting (perhaps) some social issues where bean-counters have seen that the winds have changed and it's more profitable to be visibly progressive vs. visibly conservative.

I went corporate a number of years ago because the writing was on the wall. If I'd stayed in publishing as a freelancer / writer / editor it would be years of paddling faster to make the same money. Companies didn't give two shits about quality, just shove something out the door that would play on social and/or SEO. If you think the people doing the work are deciding to embrace that, you're sorely mistaken.

[1] https://prospect.org/health/saving-free-press-private-equity...

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Start here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standard...

Ah, good. These don't appear to be legally binding at all. That's good news honestly!

> Journalists don't have any legal obligation to follow standards

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Angles and saxons were 2 tribes from modern day Germany who migrated to England for better farming and conditions. They're a very small part of "white". A very small part even of "British" descent. Even in England, not everyone is Anglo Saxon, the ruling classes are Norman, there are Celts still, Cornish people count themselves out, Londoners date back to pre-Roman times, vikings settled some areas...

Actually, the term Anglo-Saxon refers to the traditionally three tribes (and probably at least four tribes) who emigrated from the Frisian coast region (North Sea coasts of Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands): the Jutes (traditionally originating from Jutland, the main Danish peninsula), the Angles (traditionally from the neck that is part Danish and part German), and the Saxons (which would have been from what is…

Thanks, that's a great comment!

One question, do the Normans count as Germanic? I thought they were from Scandinavia originally and then spent enough time in France to pick up the language?

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Ah, good. These don't appear to be legally binding at all. That's good news honestly!

> Journalists don't have any legal obligation to follow standards

who are you quoting?

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Faux-objective journalism is such a soulless drag. Everyone has biases, attempting to hide them is just gutless.

Faux-objective journalism is such a soulless drag. Everyone has biases, attempting to hide them is just gutless. If doctors just prescribed whatever gave the bigger commission from drug companies, would you ever trust a doctor?

I mean...many of them do? At least in America, that's a thing. Now it might not be the ONLY factor (I don't believe most MDs are out here prescribing things that patients wouldn't find beneficial) but it plays into their equation. And occasionally we do hear stories about pill farms...

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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While "urinating in bottles" sounds like some sort of standard by which to indict, if you tried it you would find it's quite convenient. I'd guess that it's far down on the list of drivers' actual concerns. What are you proposing should replace this? Trips back to the depot would be terribly inefficient. Portapotties in trucks would be just fancier bottles. And time to visit public restrooms would be better spent tak…

I assume this is more true for men than women.

Yeah, that's what I was wondering : is this why I haven't seen a single delivery gal in my life ? ( Unlike trucker women.)

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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The array of possible unskilled jobs in almost every populated place is almost always >1. It turns out that Amazon actually competes for labor in a vast market for same. So many people work there because they have to be a better option than most unskilled labor jobs because they have so many packages to deliver.

I’d you don’t have a lot of financial resources, and work a low paid job, you also tend not to have the time resources to explore the option. It comes at a high transaction cost.

My experience with wage workers that are struggling to make ends meet is different. They spend a lot of time looking for better jobs and side gigs. Like, it is their primary focus.

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> I'm not sure how that refutes my point I am refuting your point that people complaining about labor shortages shouldn't be voting republican. Which doesn't make sense because these ppl want 1. low regulation, taxes and lax labor laws. 2. availability of immigrants. GOP provides both of these. Why would they care if ppl working for them are illegal or on h2 visa. > Give them papers and you'll have no problem finding…

Trump increased h2 and then banned them after Covid so he could demagogue about brown people spreading disease. Seems an important fact that's left out here! https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/president-trump-extends-ba... But yes your larger point that Republicans are fine with migrants they can exploit for a few years as long as they can make sure they "go back to their country" is well taken!

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Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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> are the first to claim "we're full, no more immigrants!" You are wrong. businesses are primary drivers of illegal immigration into the country they want more immigrants not less.

They want more immigrants, and yet they support Republicans which massively slashed legal immigration the last time they controlled the government?

You are confused by the fact that both parties SAY one thing about immigration and DO another.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Meh -- they've done themselves such harm in recent years by embracing activism and deliberate bias that it's hard for me to feel too bad for the industry. That said, I'll applaud whichever journalists are brave enough to start pushing their industry/art back towards objectivity and diversity of perspective.

Embracing activism isn't necessarily a shooting oneself in the foot, it can be a way of trying to ensure greater profitability. A case in point is The Guardian which took a huge turn in the last decade ago from traditional British working-class themes to trans issues and the specific kind of race debates originating from the US. By doing so, the newspaper could, firstly, win the allegiance of self-identified "woke" r…

I used to get the Guardian paper delivered - that makes me feel sad.
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