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Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Linux is a kernel. Obviously this article is talking about a different user space than Android.

So, what is a Linux phone? Does it need to use glibc or another libc still qualifies? Does it need to present a POSIX interface? Does it needs to run an X server or something compatible?

By "Linux phones" people nowadays understand GNU/Linux phones. I wonder why the OP can't just say that.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Exactly, I would love a smartphone-size universal computing device, to use on the go or plug into desktop/laptop docking devices when needed. The individual parts are all there. Phones are powerful enough, we have USB-C with displayport for docking, KDE/qt has (or used to have?) an alternate small/touch GUI setup, phones can throttle their CPUs up when placed in a dock with active cooling, every individual part of th…

> Microsoft tried it and Samsung tried it, but both were too tied to their own proprietary ecosystems. I think it could work with a det of open and freely available standards. Sorry, but in what world has a new UI paradigm or physical form factor reached mass adoption via an open source project? Not knocking open source in general, it’s just that these are not the open source communities’ strengths in general. Meanwh…

The problem with Microsoft's and Samsung's approaches is that they were too closed off, you didn't have the ability to install any software you wanted, unlike on a PC.

If you want to unseat laptops, you have to provide what laptops do, a universal platform for software, not a walled garden.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Android apps are becoming more and more dependent on the closed source blobs that Google ships with Android devices, so some apps might not work without them. Although microG exists, it isn't perfect and some apps still won't run with it. A Linux phone can forgo Google's userspace libraries for Android, and if they're really needed, Android can just run in a container like with Anbox. Instead, it can ship with the ty…

Your comment doesn't describe any benefit for users. Maybe a benefit for some developers who consider ideological technology choices a benefit. But users gain nothing.

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Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Exactly, I would love a smartphone-size universal computing device, to use on the go or plug into desktop/laptop docking devices when needed. The individual parts are all there. Phones are powerful enough, we have USB-C with displayport for docking, KDE/qt has (or used to have?) an alternate small/touch GUI setup, phones can throttle their CPUs up when placed in a dock with active cooling, every individual part of th…

> I would love a smartphone-size universal computing device, to use on the go or plug into desktop/laptop docking devices when needed. Are you aware that it's a thing already? https://puri.sm/products/librem-5

I know, however it also costs $800 for middling performance at best and is backordered probably until early 2022.

It's close and getting closer, though.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #292

I spent years working on the Ubuntu phone. It was a fully convergent device: by default it would present a phone UI, but plugin an a keyboard and screen and it presents a full desktop UI. The UI was designed by a team of brilliant professional designers and it was a technical success. Why isn't it around any more? (1) The carriers. Many people get a free or heavily subsidized phone from their carrier, who makes money…

I do feel if canonical were to attempt another crowd-funding attempt at an Ubuntu phone, they might well be successful this time. That phone was a terrific concept. I feel the market has changed since then, with carriers accepting less control over our phones, and the fad of installing every random app has somewhat distilled itself to a smaller number that is widely used.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Anyone know of any good Linux phones. Mine is going to be dead soon and for a while I liked Pixel because it didn't have all the Samsung or Motorola or anytime else bloatware, but with what Google has been doing I'd prefer a full Linux phone. I've looked a Librem but $1500 is kind of hard to justify when I have all my other expenses that come with a young family. Anyone have any suggestions?

> I've looked a Librem but $1500

It costs $800, not $1500.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #325

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Who cares if its marketshare is above some arbitrary number so long as there's enough interest to keep development going? It doesn't matter to me what other people are using, I find Linux desktops to be the most comfortable thing for me, so I use them! If other people are satisfied with Windows and everything that goes along with it (forced auto-updates, ads, etc) - fine! You do you. I'm happy with what I have though…

I haven't touched windows as a software developer since around 2008, so I don't know what's going on in there really. So long as I can launch games in my steam lib I'm fine. My main working OS was Ubuntu (~2006-2010) and Arch(20010-2013). Then I got tired of my Android phone and switched to iPhone and mac book. (if that matters somehow) As for you question - you were saying, quote: >this is as untrue as "Year $YEAR w…

> you were saying, quote

I mean, you're not quoting me there, but... :)

> Hence no 'Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop"' being not true so far. The phrase was and is about linux taking some meaningfull portion of market for itself, not about a you using it.

Eh, the phrase has always been ill-defined. It could be interpreted as talking about marketshare - but it could also be interpreted as the point where Linux is technically as or more capable than its competitors as a desktop OS. That point has come and gone.

(And really, the phrase tends to be used more as a potshot at Linux users than anything actually meaningful.)

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