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Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

#51

Diet can be used as a form of cure for nearly every disease that exist. So why not use it more often? Oh right, there is no money to be made...

And, just imagine, if people stuck to a simple diet (Zone, Atkins, Paleo, South Beach, Mayo - hell, even Weight Watchers/Jenny Craig - it doesn't really matter, just chose _something_ and stick to it, they'll all get the job done eventually) + a couple hours of walking a day + some progressive resistive strength training. Can you imagine what kind of condition the average citizen would be in? The only problems with t…

Social Security costs would skyrocket as people start living longer

They'd live longer, but since they'd be healthier they'd use less health care per year. Maybe zero sum game in that aspect?

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

#52
Lifestyle change

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" Research has shown that people with severe coronary heart disease are able to halt disease progression or reverse it without drugs or surgery by making comprehensive lifestyle changes such as managing stress through yoga and meditation, switching to a low-fat vegetarian diet, stopping smoking, exercising moderately, and finding social support. http://www.pmri.org/publications/1761.pdf

• The June 2008 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences published a prostate cancer study demonstrating that lifestyle change can affect gene expression. The researchers found that improved nutrition, stress management, walking, and psychosocial support changed the expression of over 500 genes in men with early-stage prostate cancer. http://www.pnas.org/content/105/24/8369

• A long-term randomized controlled trial of patients with coronary heart disease showed that Transcendental Meditation practice was associated with a 47 percent reduction in mortality, nonfatal myocardial infarction, and stroke compared with controls during a five-year follow-up http://161.58.228.161/TM_and_mortality.pdf "

http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/06/first-do-no-...

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Change or Die ( BY: ALAN DEUTSCHMAN )

Tags: Careers, Work/Life, work life balance, personal growth

http://www.fastcompany.com/node/52717/print

"What if you were given that choice? For real. What if it weren't just the hyperbolic rhetoric that conflates corporate performance with life and death? Not the overblown exhortations of a rabid boss, or a slick motivational speaker, or a self-dramatizing CEO. We're talking actual life or death now. Your own life or death. What if a well-informed, trusted authority figure said you had to make difficult and enduring changes in the way you think and act? If you didn't, your time would end soon -- a lot sooner than it had to. Could you change when change really mattered? When it mattered most?

Yes, you say?

Try again.

Yes?

You're probably deluding yourself.

You wouldn't change.

... "

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right because desperate cancer patients that could clearly seek an alternative are being told that their only hope is Chemo therapy or death aren't being taken advantage of... God forbid someone suggest an alternative as simple as gasp diet.

Well, to be fair, I don't believe there are a lot of peer-reviewed, doubly blinded, placebo controlled studies that provide evidence that diet helps in most cancers. Lots of evidence that suggests you can avoid them in the first place, but once you have Cancer, you usually have to turn to modern medicine, in much the same way you do when you have something like HIV. Diet just won't cut it. It's also important to diff…

> diet & cancers.

"Changes in prostate gene expression in men undergoing an intensive nutrition and lifestyle intervention"

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/24/8369

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

#54
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right because desperate cancer patients that could clearly seek an alternative are being told that their only hope is Chemo therapy or death aren't being taken advantage of... God forbid someone suggest an alternative as simple as gasp diet.

There are instances in which chemotherapy is the only option, as advised by sound evidence-based medical research, just as there are instances in which diet is a completely acceptable treatment, and those instances must abide by the same strict evidence-based guidelines. However, when people go around claiming that diet can cure the majority of disease it plants a seed in the minds of patients that have no option, pa…

Let me know if you disagree, however I think the problem so many people have in this thread (and an increasing number in today's world), and one reason a good number seek and believe in alternative treatments, is because the medical community (as viewed by individuals from the outside anyway) is viewed to be full of self-righteous elitists who believe they always know what is best when dealing with the human body, while a. People like to believe in miracles, and b. Successful outlier cases that are contrary to common medical understanding keep cropping up -- the media loves them and people notice them. One more reason could be that many have experienced alternative treatments be fiercely dismissed by their physician, even when it can be surmised that the dismiss-er is probably fairly ignorant on the particular topic -- it turns people off. Naturally physicians don't have to have an answer or even an opinion, so why does it seem like they often feel they have to? Can it be boiled down to personal insecurities and fears? Trying to live up to the stigmas around what a doctor should be and know?

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

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post #54
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are instances in which chemotherapy is the only option, as advised by sound evidence-based medical research, just as there are instances in which diet is a completely acceptable treatment, and those instances must abide by the same strict evidence-based guidelines. However, when people go around claiming that diet can cure the majority of disease it plants a seed in the minds of patients that have no option, pa…

Let me know if you disagree, however I think the problem so many people have in this thread (and an increasing number in today's world), and one reason a good number seek and believe in alternative treatments, is because the medical community (as viewed by individuals from the outside anyway) is viewed to be full of self-righteous elitists who believe they always know what is best when dealing with the human body, wh…

In my opinion, physicians are no different from any other profession. They feel that input from those outside the profession on matters of the profession are irrelevant, and in most cases this is probably true. There is a push in the evidence-based medicine movement, however, to recognize the influential power physicians have in the doctor-patient relationship and the ways this influence might effectively ignore the patient and their right to dictate their own treatment path. It's called "Informed Patient Choice," and is something I personally believe should be emphasized much more than it is today, because the truth is for most diseases there are multiple treatment routes, each with its own advantages and disadvantages. The job of the physician should be to, without bias, present these options to the patient and ultimately allow them to choose.

As for dismissing alternate treatments, I feel it's perfectly acceptable to dismiss treatments that lack basic scientific validity (Mind you, I include in this bunch treatments prescribed by physicians today that lack proper evidence, of which there are more than a few). There are an increasing number of physicians interested in CAM, however; some hope to discover new medical treatments hidden within; some use them as a rich source of evidence related to the placebo effect; or, as was mentioned earlier in this discussion by another poster, some seek to stake their share in the increasingly lucrative market of quackery.

The truth is, quackery is even more lucrative than medicine. All that is needed is invention of a treatment that doesn't hurt people, at least not immediately (Think water soluble vitamins, fruits, vegetables, etc...), and clever marketing. No grants need to be written to conduct the basic science research. No costly clinical trials need to be conducted. The FDA doesn't regulate "alternative therapy" because most are categorized as supplements, and so efficacy data does not need to be provided. All of that costs a great deal of money, which of course eats into profit. In addition, as proponents of CAM can't point to a single treatment that has been effectively "taken off the market" due to lacking efficacy, it's quite clear that not only are these treatments 100% quackery, but they hold amazing long-term revenue potential, Potential that exists because patients are taken advantage of and claims are made by peddlers that aren't supported by a shred of evidence.

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

#57

There is a significant cultural difference in the matter of treating diseases between West and East. In the West people first use a drug (rather tons of them), then, if no progress was made, a medical assistance, then, changes in behavior as an inevitable consequence and a restricted diet as a last resort. In the East (Tibet, for example) people at fist use shifting to an appropriate diet and behavioral changes, then…

I wonder if that is a direct result of a more profit driven system in the west? There's no profit in good exercise and diet...

Tell that to gyms..

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

#58
I don't know if it's true, but I heard a story about a man who was cured from cancer by eating very healthy.

To me it's no surprise the body likes healthy food to maintain the ability to cure from a lot of things.

(edit: I think T. Colin Campbell is related http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Colin_Campbell)

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

#59

I did my surgical internship at a hospital with a substantial bariatrics service. Yes. Starvation will cure type 2 diabetes. Overnight. Roux-en-Y patients often have normal blood sugars by the time they're out of the OR. We would watch them for 48 hours and their blood sugar didn't go back up. When they came in for follow-up, still down. It works. Like a champ. I would like to reply to more comments here, but it's pa…

"Taylor, the director of the Newcastle Magnetic Resonance Centre, had the idea for the study after it was shown that diabetes was reversed in people who had undergone stomach stapling or other forms of bariatric surgery because of obesity."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jun/24/low-calorie-di...

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

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post #54
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are instances in which chemotherapy is the only option, as advised by sound evidence-based medical research, just as there are instances in which diet is a completely acceptable treatment, and those instances must abide by the same strict evidence-based guidelines. However, when people go around claiming that diet can cure the majority of disease it plants a seed in the minds of patients that have no option, pa…

Let me know if you disagree, however I think the problem so many people have in this thread (and an increasing number in today's world), and one reason a good number seek and believe in alternative treatments, is because the medical community (as viewed by individuals from the outside anyway) is viewed to be full of self-righteous elitists who believe they always know what is best when dealing with the human body, wh…

I would agree that people like miracles and notice them. However miracles are by their very nature the exception, not the norm. Science works by quantifying what is the norm through carefully controlled studies. The reason that alternative treatments are fiercely dismissed by many physicians is because they know, on account of said science, that they should not be the first course of action. Empirically, they work far too infrequently. Until an alternative treatment can demonstrate that it works for a statistically significant sample size it should not be recommended as the first course of action. However, if it does prove to be a viable treatment in a statistically significant study, it becomes part of mainstream medicine, not an "alternative" therapy.
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