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Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

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Post by arn »

rvanniekerk wrote: post #2

Diet can be used as a form of cure for nearly every disease that exist. So why not use it more often? Oh right, there is no money to be made...

This is a tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory reaction.

Define "use it more often". Doctors recommend diet and exercise all the time. It's the first thing to recommend to patients. It's simply very hard for people to accomplish it, and the vast majority of people either can't or won't lose weight.

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

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Post by G3P »

rvanniekerk wrote: post #2

Diet can be used as a form of cure for nearly every disease that exist. So why not use it more often? Oh right, there is no money to be made...

I hate to rain on your parade, I do... But, you simply couldn't be further from the truth. Diet can only be considered a "cure" in an extremely small subset of all disease; and, furthermore, the word "cure" is practically never used to describe the effects of diet in any treatment scenario.

It's true that there is no money to be made by Pharma, and that's why they aren't funding this study. My words may be harsh, but it's people like you, spreading pseudoscience, that lead to desperate patients being taken advantage of.

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

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Post by bendmorris »

rvanniekerk wrote: post #2

Diet can be used as a form of cure for nearly every disease that exist. So why not use it more often? Oh right, there is no money to be made...

While there's no denying that nutrition is an important determinant of overall health, I think "can be used as a form of cure for nearly every disease" is going a little overboard. The vast majority of diseases of all kinds cannot be cured by diet alone. Eating an apple a day, for example, is not going to kill HIV.

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

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Post by ghshephard »

rvanniekerk wrote: post #2

Diet can be used as a form of cure for nearly every disease that exist. So why not use it more often? Oh right, there is no money to be made...

And, just imagine, if people stuck to a simple diet (Zone, Atkins, Paleo, South Beach, Mayo - hell, even Weight Watchers/Jenny Craig - it doesn't really matter, just chose _something_ and stick to it, they'll all get the job done eventually) + a couple hours of walking a day + some progressive resistive strength training.

Can you imagine what kind of condition the average citizen would be in?

The only problems with this are:

  o Who will buy all the refined foods?
  o None of the above exercises cost anything.  The resistive strength training 
    can be done very effectively as bodyweight in 
    your bedroom.  (Pushups FTW!) 
  o Social Security costs would skyrocket as people start living longer.
As the parent said - no money to be made. Alas.

Re: Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet

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Post by tellitlikeitis »

arn wrote: post #4
rvanniekerk wrote: post #2

Diet can be used as a form of cure for nearly every disease that exist. So why not use it more often? Oh right, there is no money to be made...

This is a tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory reaction. Define "use it more often". Doctors recommend diet and exercise all the time. It's the first thing to recommend to patients. It's simply very hard for people to accomplish it, and the vast majority of people either can't or won't lose weight.

This is lame-brain hand-waving dismissal in order to continue being lazy and essentially helpless in our personal health.

Doctors make standardized dietary recommendations that are not enough to protect and heal against lifestyle diseases. Compare the 30% fat American Heart Association diet to the Dr. Dean Ornish, Dr. McDougall, or Dr. Esselstyn diets that recommend 10% fat and whole foods, not products marketed as 'low fat' snacks and meals. The latter diets are clinically shown to reverse heart disease, essentially heal Type II diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, and many other diseases. There is ongoing research by McDougall into multiple sclerosis, based on past great success with the low fat Swank diet.

The standard dietary advice is given largely because people can't make enough changes to even follow that, much less make the effort to have every single meal conform to something as seemingly 'radical' as a 10% fat diet.

So yes, arn, "doctors recommend diet and exercise all the time", but it's not to the extent necessary to bring about meaningful results.

But carry on with your dismissal of anything that doesn't make you feel good (mentally, physically, or morally) as "tin foil conspiracies". And follow the herd and make sure others can take care of you (and pay for you) when you get sick.

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