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Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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I enjoy the Pinephone, but it certainly has its issues. I’d kill for better performance; it’s very close to usability. I also have some issues with the hardware (it seems my battery has stopped working entirely, recently.) On the other hand, there is one confounding software issue that I think makes it the hardest as a full replacement for a modern smartphone: push notifications. An equivalent for APNS or FCM that al…

UnifiedPush is something that's looking to address this.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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I enjoy the Pinephone, but it certainly has its issues. I’d kill for better performance; it’s very close to usability. I also have some issues with the hardware (it seems my battery has stopped working entirely, recently.) On the other hand, there is one confounding software issue that I think makes it the hardest as a full replacement for a modern smartphone: push notifications. An equivalent for APNS or FCM that al…

Conversations.im does jabber on Android without push notifications. It just leaves an idle TCP socket. I haven't noticed latency issues with that, but I'm not a heavy user

Having each app run in the background and manage its own notifications can work, but also causes battery life issues with more apps.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #5

Anyone know of any good Linux phones. Mine is going to be dead soon and for a while I liked Pixel because it didn't have all the Samsung or Motorola or anytime else bloatware, but with what Google has been doing I'd prefer a full Linux phone. I've looked a Librem but $1500 is kind of hard to justify when I have all my other expenses that come with a young family. Anyone have any suggestions?

The Pinephone is a nice phone, but still in beta and underpowered to say the least.

It's so cheap, just get one.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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I'm hoping that when we have this conversation, we understand that the business of Linux Phones is a much tougher business to be in than average, and not do the thing where we nitpick e.g. particular usability features, as if that were the thing preventing Linux Phones from being popular.

The real force against them is, of course, the most well funded businesses (perhaps monopolies) who have a vested interest (or at least, strongly believe so) in not allowing the level of freedom on your machines that a Linux Phone would provide.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Am I missing something? Every Android phone is running Linux.

The core parts of Android that make it usable on mobile devices like power management and scheduling [1] aren't in the mainline Linux kernel last I checked. This is about getting Linux to the point where you can choose between an Arch, Ubuntu, debian, etc. distro for your phone.

[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/706374/

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #5

Anyone know of any good Linux phones. Mine is going to be dead soon and for a while I liked Pixel because it didn't have all the Samsung or Motorola or anytime else bloatware, but with what Google has been doing I'd prefer a full Linux phone. I've looked a Librem but $1500 is kind of hard to justify when I have all my other expenses that come with a young family. Anyone have any suggestions?

I would suggest an Android One or econo-level Google Phone using adb to delete google bloatware, choosing a qualcomm or something that looks not totally encumbered so it might be possible to transition to Linux when the 3 years are up.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #6

I enjoy the Pinephone, but it certainly has its issues. I’d kill for better performance; it’s very close to usability. I also have some issues with the hardware (it seems my battery has stopped working entirely, recently.) On the other hand, there is one confounding software issue that I think makes it the hardest as a full replacement for a modern smartphone: push notifications. An equivalent for APNS or FCM that al…

The lack of a self-hosted push notification system is a massive hole in the user privacy story for users of all phones.

I dream of being able to configure my phone (be it android, linux, or ios) to proxy all communication with push services through a host I control.

At the nitty-gritty implementation level, I kind of hope the LinuxPhone world adopts Matrix as a standardish notification transport.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #5

Anyone know of any good Linux phones. Mine is going to be dead soon and for a while I liked Pixel because it didn't have all the Samsung or Motorola or anytime else bloatware, but with what Google has been doing I'd prefer a full Linux phone. I've looked a Librem but $1500 is kind of hard to justify when I have all my other expenses that come with a young family. Anyone have any suggestions?

> Motorola [...] bloatware

What do you mean? I've had a couple Motorola phones from the G series (G1 and G4 and currently an AndroidOne) and AFAICT it's been pretty much stock Android apart from:

- an app for support enquiries (with diagnostic functionality for the screen, sensors etc.) which I've actually used before,

- one app you could opt-in to to get something like product newsletters from Motorola (I don't care for spam)

- and since the AndroidOne an app for audio EQ (which I don't really need/use).

All of these don't even use 80 MB of the internal storage (64 GB) so I don't really know where you get the "bloatware" from.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #6

I enjoy the Pinephone, but it certainly has its issues. I’d kill for better performance; it’s very close to usability. I also have some issues with the hardware (it seems my battery has stopped working entirely, recently.) On the other hand, there is one confounding software issue that I think makes it the hardest as a full replacement for a modern smartphone: push notifications. An equivalent for APNS or FCM that al…

Without mass-market and the scale that comes with it (including returning income from existing users) it's near impossible to provide the same nice UX as an iPhone or a Google-riddled Android phone.

That's the whole problem with most projects and why they neither produce acceptable usability nor a an acceptable price point. It's not that it's not technically possible, it's just infeasible without becoming yet another android vendor.

Even just having an 'alternative OS' on existing hardware is a non-existent market, and those projects try very very hard. Adding the hardware problem in to the mix makes it harder, not easier.

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