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Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by thebooktocome »

narcissismo wrote: post #175
bredren wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the “copyright owners” as displayed to the pianist in YouTube’s interface: - APRA_CS - ECAD_CS - SOCAN - VCPMC_CS

Something odd is happening here. Perhaps I can offer a piece of insight. APRA is the Australian music copyright organisation ( https://www.apraamcos.com.au/ ) ECAD is the Brazillian version. VCPMC is the Vietnamese equivalent. Not sure about the others, but basically these are the people with whom a composer registers their work. These organisations work together by forwarding royalties collected within each territor…

> I am a member of APRA and very much doubt that someone got away with registering a Beethoven work as their own.

I've yet to hear of one of these nationwide registries vetting any of the work that gets submitted to them for novelty or whatever. That would be too much like doing due diligence.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by bcrescimanno »

fsflover wrote: post #395
bcrescimanno wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As stated above, I watched the promotional video from PeerTube themselves on the JoinPeertube.org website and experienced multiple hiccups in under 30s. If their own hosting isn't cutting it, what chance does anyone else have? > You probably chose a slow server. I didn't choose a server. I chose a video. The moment the service asks me to think about what server is hosting it is the moment I don't care enough to jump…

> from PeerTube themselves on the PeerTube.com PeerTube.com is not "PeerTube themselves". This is one of the servers, not the best one. This is the official PeerTube website: https://joinpeertube.org . It will show search results on many servers. > The moment the service asks me to think about what server is hosting it is the moment I don't care enough to jump through those hoops. You only choose your server once, li…

I corrected the URL in my post. I was on JoinPeertube.org and watched the, "What is PeerTube?" video that is embedded in that page. If I watched it again, it might not buffer at all. Maybe it was a bad moment. But I consume a lot of content on YouTube and I can't remember the last time a video buffered a single time--let alone several times in the first 30 seconds.

I'm honestly done with this ridiculous strawman about whether the video works. PeerTube is not a viable alternative to YouTube from a content creator's perspective for many reasons which I've already stated; but, I'll summarize:

1. It lacks even a tiny fraction of the distribution and discovery reach offered by YouTube.

2. It lacks the monetization features that allows YouTube to become part of a business.

3. It requires me to provide my own hosting and technical setup which is far more involved than dropping a video into your browser like you get with YouTube.

4. If I, as a consumer with no knowledge or interest in how PeerTube works, "choose the wrong server," I get a crappy experience with videos buffering for ages so I'm disinclined to continue to use the platform leading to reduced audiences on the platform and the feeling of, "doing extra work for nothing."

You can defend it all you want; but, your responses so far have been thinly veiled, "You're too stupid to get it right." I guess maybe I am; but, I'll stand behind that being the single biggest reason that PeerTube simply cannot be a platform to rival YouTube.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by crescentfresh »

CRConrad wrote: post #343
crescentfresh wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The uploading channel is "Alice Violet Molland - Topic" I went searching around using that info and came across a (similarly outraged) thread on google's support forums about this video, in which someone named longzijun seemed to make a reasonably sound counter-argument: https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/108213944/a-posted... > Then she files a counter-notification. The appeals process has not been complete…

That poster may be right on this particular issue... But it's hard to take them seriously after umpteen posts where they go on yammering about "If someone posts a recording of someone's performance" after repeatedly being told that the lady posted her own performance, and repeatedly asking someone else whether they are that poster, which AFAICS has fuck-all to do with anything.

So much agree. Their taking issue with that detail made me trust their viewpoint less.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by lsiebert »

Well remember when they scanned a bunch of books? Like all the books in a bunch of libraries?

That was physically turning pages, photographing them, doing OCR and then correcting that. By comparison create a library of public works in terms of audio to test copyright claims, and reject or put greater requirements on ones for public domain works would be relatively easy.

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Post by matchagaucho »

blacklight wrote: post #262

I've already stated this many times, I'll state it again. Get your shit out of YouTube and any other Google product. Google is a dumb, faceless, fully automated company only interested in extracting as much data as possible from its users, force them to swallow as many ads as possible, all without caring about listening to them (both consumers and creators), under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users…

The error in this case is quite obvious...

That was the symptom. The cause of the error was Google allowing another Publisher to stake claims on public domain music.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by fsflover »

bcrescimanno wrote: post #402
fsflover wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> from PeerTube themselves on the PeerTube.com PeerTube.com is not "PeerTube themselves". This is one of the servers, not the best one. This is the official PeerTube website: https://joinpeertube.org . It will show search results on many servers. > The moment the service asks me to think about what server is hosting it is the moment I don't care enough to jump through those hoops. You only choose your server once, li…

I corrected the URL in my post. I was on JoinPeertube.org and watched the, "What is PeerTube?" video that is embedded in that page. If I watched it again, it might not buffer at all. Maybe it was a bad moment. But I consume a lot of content on YouTube and I can't remember the last time a video buffered a single time--let alone several times in the first 30 seconds. I'm honestly done with this ridiculous strawman abou…

> 3. It requires me to provide my own hosting and technical setup

This is wrong. You choose someone's server and use it just like you use Youtube.

> "You're too stupid to get it right."

I never said or implied that. Yes, using PeerTube is slightly harder, but the benefit you get is huge. If it is not worth for you, you can give your live to Google...

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by Causality1 »

blacklight wrote: post #262

I've already stated this many times, I'll state it again. Get your shit out of YouTube and any other Google product. Google is a dumb, faceless, fully automated company only interested in extracting as much data as possible from its users, force them to swallow as many ads as possible, all without caring about listening to them (both consumers and creators), under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users…

The more stories like this crop up, the more I wonder what the source is. Google's pervasively horrible treatment of both free users and paying customers reflects its extraordinary fetish for using computers to do a person's job. The worse it gets the more I start to think this is coming from someone in particular. How could they be so incapable of improvement unless someone powerful is stomping on it? Who is it? Who in the top twenty Alphabet/Google executives has this godawful obsession?

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by rocqua »

maweki wrote: post #218
chrismorgan wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time that I’m speaking of it was the melody that was being claimed, not a specific recording.

I understand that that is what was claimed. I said that two actual and copyrightable performances of the same melody are arguably indistinguishable. Edit: How would an automated system know, that you did not just non-transformatively alter another person's performance, instead of performing yourself?

Ideally, the easy cases are automated, and more difficult cases like these are not. Hence, the system would know because of an actual DMCA request, rather than an automated YouTube request.
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