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Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by qwertox »

guggle wrote: post #49
jeffwass wrote: post #10

Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…

Upload videos to her own website. Problem solved.

* That problem solved.

And so many more created.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by saalweachter »

katbyte wrote: post #50
exporectomy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Mandating real people won't help. I've dealt with real support people who are exactly as useless as the website's FAQ. They're powerless to make any special exceptions to the predefined process or even to escalate to someone who can. As an example, I can't use my main email address for an Apple ID account because apparently somebody else set it as their backup email and I may have carelessly clicked the accept li…

at least you spoke to someone and now know why your screwed vs an automated AI system that doesn't tell you anything /s

To be fair one of the major drivers of quack medicine is that there are still a lot of problems where science based medicine will eventually go "We don't know what's wrong with you, but it's probably not something we can fix, so it just sucks to be you right now."

It may be the best most honest answer, but a lot of people would rather have a name for what's wrong with them, even if there's no cure, and a treatment, even if it doesn't work.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by surfsvammel »

guggle wrote: post #49
jeffwass wrote: post #10

Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…

Upload videos to her own website. Problem solved.

How? I gave this a shot, but it was such a hassle to get it working. Hosting, automatic resampliny of videos to different quality, CDN stuff. Is there an easy way to host videos yourself?

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by Normille »

I don't know what I find more annoying; the ridiculous US copyright system that allows people to copyright almost 'anything'... or the unfathomably stupid people employed by the likes of Amazon, YouTube et al whose policies seem to be "Ban first. Ask questions later... Bu let's not bother with the questions"

It doesn't surprise me that a 200 years dead composer's works are considered subject to copyright when, apparently, even referring to the name of a 1200 year old mediaeval manuscript violates copyright:

https://stiobhart.net/2021-04-8-bubble-trouble/

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by qwertox »

guggle wrote: post #59
Tepix wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reasons why ppl go to YT are monetization and visibility.

Yes, I get it and my comment was intended tongue-in-cheek. But still... not everyone goes to YT for monetization in which case I really think it's just better not to use it. I'm probably too old but I remember a time when we had plenty of visibility on the web without platforms dictating the content.

You mean your Geocities homepage which got a fabulous 121 hits in 1997? ;)

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by Iv »

qwertox wrote: post #46
jeffwass wrote: post #10

Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…

1) Feed a computer with MIDI files of public domain music and render it as audio 2) Upload to YouTube 3) File copyright dispute to YouTube for any (future?) uploaded video which contains the music which used to be in the public domain 4) Have Google reject the videos 5) Create a site or an app which allows you to license that public domain music for a fee. 6) Notify YouTube who has licensed this public domain music.…

> Ok. that's the way Google thinks is the way it should work. Or maybe they just recognize that their AI is causing more harm than good.

Let's be clear. It is not Google that wants it. Actually Google is on the side of calling all of this retarded. It is the state of copyright laws, of the DMCA, of the lobbying by the RIAA. The day the whole copyright ecosystem is updated to accept that computers exist and that people share files on internet easily, Youtube will be VERY happy to unplug all these terrible bots that are there to provide a bad solution to a problem we should not have.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by kzrdude »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #25
trinovantes wrote: post #7

I don't understand why YouTube doesn't use their content id system to detect these obvious public domain disputes.

Probably because it would cost them time and effort, but they have no incentive to do so. Why would they? At most, when cases such as this come to the public's attention, all that YouTube suffers is inconsequential reputational damage. This is easily and cheaply mitigated in PR terms if it gets bad enough by just handling the incident with a quick "Oops, sorry, our bad" and reinstating the removed material. Meanwhile…

The only defender of the rights holders without money would be the court system, so a court needs to suspend youtube's copyright strike system.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by Iv »

Normille wrote: post #65

I don't know what I find more annoying; the ridiculous US copyright system that allows people to copyright almost 'anything'... or the unfathomably stupid people employed by the likes of Amazon, YouTube et al whose policies seem to be "Ban first. Ask questions later... Bu let's not bother with the questions" It doesn't surprise me that a 200 years dead composer's works are considered subject to copyright when, appare…

The policies are directly caused by the laws. If google does not react swiftly, it is considered guilty of copyright infringement. Remove the laws, the policies are instantly removes as well.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by anticensor »

qwertox wrote: post #46
jeffwass wrote: post #10

Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…

1) Feed a computer with MIDI files of public domain music and render it as audio 2) Upload to YouTube 3) File copyright dispute to YouTube for any (future?) uploaded video which contains the music which used to be in the public domain 4) Have Google reject the videos 5) Create a site or an app which allows you to license that public domain music for a fee. 6) Notify YouTube who has licensed this public domain music.…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eBB1ZzvFoI
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