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Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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#41

I don't understand why YouTube doesn't use their content id system to detect these obvious public domain disputes.

Probably because it would cost them time and effort, but they have no incentive to do so. Why would they? At most, when cases such as this come to the public's attention, all that YouTube suffers is inconsequential reputational damage. This is easily and cheaply mitigated in PR terms if it gets bad enough by just handling the incident with a quick "Oops, sorry, our bad" and reinstating the removed material. Meanwhile…

> YouTube suffers is inconsequential reputational damage

No such thing exists. Using "reputation damage" in context of YouTube, or any Google service really doesn't make any sense.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#42

I don't understand why YouTube doesn't use their content id system to detect these obvious public domain disputes.

Probably because it would cost them time and effort, but they have no incentive to do so. Why would they? At most, when cases such as this come to the public's attention, all that YouTube suffers is inconsequential reputational damage. This is easily and cheaply mitigated in PR terms if it gets bad enough by just handling the incident with a quick "Oops, sorry, our bad" and reinstating the removed material. Meanwhile…

Even the marketing you mentioned isn't really necessary. That's what happened when you're a monopoly, bad reputation doesn't really hurt the bottom line.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#43
Along the same lines, I was publishing church services each Sunday between May and December of last year, with three English hymns in each, mostly old ones well-known across denominations. In total, I got 23 Content ID claims (about 20% of the hymns), claiming ownership of the melody. Every single one was for a work in the public domain. I disputed each, providing the name and date of death of the composer.

Two were released (one after three days, the other after 27), the rest were allowed to lapse in my favour (which happens after 30 days).

A few of these claims were duplicates (same claimer, same hymn). This showed that even though I had successfully disputed their claim in the past in the grounds of the work being in the public domain, YouTube had not revoked their ability to claim the melody in question.

If any of the liars claiming they owned these works had rejected my dispute, it could have become a strike, &c. and there would of course be no recourse, because Google generally refuses to arbitrate.

Also, an insidious aspect of the claims system was that YouTube basically didn’t tell you about the copyright claim at all when publishing; you had to close the edit page for the video and return to the list, and see if the Restrictions column for the video said “Copyright claim”. If you didn’t do that, the video would probably be being monetised by the claimer in at least some of the world (and if you disputed it, I guess Google would happily take the lot for the period while they had monetised it—though now that they’re putting ads on everything, this lot isn’t so different from the usual situation; depends on whether you hate the balance of the ad money going to the copyright liars or Google more).

(There was also one amusing case where some music being played at a nearby temple was audible during a quiet time in the service, and so I found out the name of the music being played. I claimed fair use on that one, because I didn’t even want that music in it, and it was quiet. That claim was released after ten days.)

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#45

The current copyright law is unsustainable. Pretty much every melody you can think of is copyrighted and as an artist you can be anxious that anything you make can be claimed by someone else. Copyright laws need urgent change as they are not fit for purpose...

Copyright cannot be fixed, it should be abolished. It made sense in the era of physical books and huge printing presses. That era is long gone, copying have made copying trivial.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#46

Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…

1) Feed a computer with MIDI files of public domain music and render it as audio

2) Upload to YouTube

3) File copyright dispute to YouTube for any (future?) uploaded video which contains the music which used to be in the public domain

4) Have Google reject the videos

5) Create a site or an app which allows you to license that public domain music for a fee.

6) Notify YouTube who has licensed this public domain music.

Ok. that's the way Google thinks is the way it should work. Or maybe they just recognize that their AI is causing more harm than good.

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Two days ago I uploaded a video which was a screen recording to demonstrate a bug in the Android app "Komoot". It was unlisted, the link was attached to the bug report I sent to the company. It was just a short video showing how the caching (or something in that direction) of uploaded images in the app seemed to be broken. The content in the video was 100% adhering to all the guidelines, specially to those of "for all ages". The content was nothing else but scrolling photos of an MTB-trail with a bit of UI. If your video is flagged or you mark it as "for 18+", then it can only be viewed by logged in persons.

After uploading the video I got an email that it was not complying with the "for all ages" requirements, which is kind of bad, because now the support team must log-in with a Google account to YouTube in order to see the harmless but useful video.

But then again, videos related to Instagram celebrities or Chinese ASMR-binge eating are totally ok for them.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#47
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What a horribly broken platform. Thankfully Peertube appears to be gaining some traction due to its compatibility with Mastodon.

Yes, it expect it will have a near monopoly in the year desktop Linux goes mainstream…

Funny but I can actually see peertube appealing to big YouTubers, especially if there's an ecosystem around it, like apps and fully hosted servers.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#48
I can't be certain, but I think this video might be the "original" that the algorithm matched: https://youtu.be/-ThyLB6bakk

What is to stop bad actors pumping out a stream of interpretations of public domain melodies to prime the matching algorithm then using the robotic nature of the appeal process to extort ad revenue? Nothing, apparently!

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#49

Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…

Upload videos to her own website. Problem solved.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#50
post #12

Being able to access real people for support should be a mandatory requirement for big corporations offering services to the public directly.

No. Mandating real people won't help. I've dealt with real support people who are exactly as useless as the website's FAQ. They're powerless to make any special exceptions to the predefined process or even to escalate to someone who can. As an example, I can't use my main email address for an Apple ID account because apparently somebody else set it as their backup email and I may have carelessly clicked the accept li…

at least you spoke to someone and now know why your screwed vs an automated AI system that doesn't tell you anything /s
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