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Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by reader_mode »

gumby wrote: post #27
sroussey wrote: post #13

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Why would they have not used them before the acquisition?

One of the recent phones (X or 11?) used Intel for part of its builds (as far as I remember you couldn’t tell from serial number). Apple had a lot of problems and swore off the Intel parts, which killed Intel’s wireless business. I assumed Apple bought the Intel product line for IP, especially after that episode.

>which killed Intel’s wireless business

I was under the impression that modern laptops ship with intel WiFi cards (I think I saw some Lenovo laptop use it). Do you mean it killed their modems ?

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by knolax »

imwillofficial wrote: post #58
Ericson2314 wrote: post #8

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As Linux laptop user, I'm bemused when the competition gets worse. Maybe Linux on Apple Silicon will be the best of both worlds in a few years --- I think the dedicated porting effort will more than succeed and will get something more polished than Linux on Intel macs ever was.

Linux on desktop users shouldn’t be bemused until Linux desktop experience isn’t a pile of UX trash. Linux on the desktop is still so frustrating, ugly, and only marginally more useful over a Mac for extremely specific use cases, that I would rather use Windows + WSL2.

> Linux desktop experience isn’t a pile of UX trash.

Desktop Linux is the only bearable desktop UX. Anyone who actually prefers the UX of desktop Windows is mentally deranged and should not be allowed to make user facing software.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by SilverRed »

imwillofficial wrote: post #62
userbinator wrote: post #16

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It might be a matter of tradition/long-term contracts - Apple has used Broadcom for a long time.

Broadcom makes some good stuff now and then (Rpi’s)

Isn't broadcom the worst part of the rpi? It's impossible to boot the pi without loading a binary blob backdoor first

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by j-james »

cptskippy wrote: post #41
Ericson2314 wrote: post #8

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As Linux laptop user, I'm bemused when the competition gets worse. Maybe Linux on Apple Silicon will be the best of both worlds in a few years --- I think the dedicated porting effort will more than succeed and will get something more polished than Linux on Intel macs ever was.

Still no where near as bad a Linux on the laptop the last time I tried it. I haven't used Linux on a laptop in a decade because it was so bad I swore it off.

A lot has changed in the last decade, particularly with TLP and now suspend / hibernate being set up by default on most distributions. You might give it a try again.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by dannyw »

SilverRed wrote: post #73
imwillofficial wrote: post #62

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Broadcom makes some good stuff now and then (Rpi’s)

Isn't broadcom the worst part of the rpi? It's impossible to boot the pi without loading a binary blob backdoor first

How about the fact that Broadcom essentially enabled the Pi to be created in the first place?

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by bdowling »

stan_rogers wrote: post #45
totetsu wrote: post #26

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Marconi is named after inventor of the radio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Marconi?wprov=sfla1

Inventor? Not so much. He did manage to get a patent on other people's prior art by keeping it in a sealed box, though.

> keeping it in a sealed box

A patent has to disclose the invention in order to be valid. An invention, however, can comprise a new and non-obvious combination of pre-existing components. Most inventions, in fact, comprise new and non-obvious arrangements of familiar components, some of which may be patented by others. If a component is patented by another, that just means the inventor won’t be able to actually build his invention without buying or licensing the component from the other inventor. I’m not familiar with the Marconi case, but that may be the situation.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by BigBathtubLobby »

Nextgrid wrote: post #46
faitswulff wrote: post #9

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I have to wonder if all issues with Apple's software quality are due to Apple redirecting resources to gracefully handling the Apple silicon transfer.

Catalina was a significant downgrade in quality and as far as I know the M1 wasn't a thing yet.

Big Sur made it worse. For probably the greater part of the last 6-7 years I've felt Windows performs better on equivalent hardware (even after Mac OS fresh installs). By Big Sur it's so bad the latest Intel MacBooks chug on it.

That said, the M1 changes things, IME. It's just sad it takes that much.

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by dandongus »

roody15 wrote: post #61

Leopard = meh Snow Leopard = Awesome Lion = meh Yosemite = ok Sierra = good High Sierra = Awesome Mojave = meh Catalina = meh Big Sur = meh (snow leopard and high sierra were the best IMO) Mac Admin for 15 years

you skipped ML (meh) and mavericks (best)

Re: Wi-Fi packet capturing on M1 Macs is broken

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Post by 55555 »

SamBam wrote: post #66
rthomas6 wrote: post #44

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Is it really wifi? Or is it Bluetooth?

Bluetooth wouldn't need a dongle on a modern computer. But I'd be surprised that it's wifi and not some other frequency radio communication.

They always seem to come with a dongle just incase though, and sometimes people use the dongle despite having bluetooth, or plug them in and then connect to the computer's built-in bluetooth.

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Post by toinetoine »

cptskippy wrote: post #41
Ericson2314 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Linux laptop user, I'm bemused when the competition gets worse. Maybe Linux on Apple Silicon will be the best of both worlds in a few years --- I think the dedicated porting effort will more than succeed and will get something more polished than Linux on Intel macs ever was.

Still no where near as bad a Linux on the laptop the last time I tried it. I haven't used Linux on a laptop in a decade because it was so bad I swore it off.

I was in the same boat until summer of 2020. Switched to ubuntu 20.04 w/ gnome desktop on my home laptop and haven't looked back.
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