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New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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post #126

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You’ve gone straight to the implication that everyone who doesn’t want to hear politics from the noisy few is racist, despite the article not mentioning specifics. This is exactly the kind of chilling effect it’s about. I.e. “You’re not shouting as loud as us, you must be one of THEM”

I think that's an unfair characterisation. I read it as the commenter using racism purely as an example where reduced diversity of opinion towards no racism is a good thing, not saying that all opponents of diversity are racist.

The commenter picked racism as an example, because they think viewpoint diversity is bad, and racism is a good example of a "bad" viewpoint.

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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post #8

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I feel pretty comfortable saying that all bullies feel they are right.

I suspect many bullies are indifferent to right or wrong.

Everybody needs to sleep at night. Not many people are psychopaths; the rest of us need to weave stories to tell ourselves that "we're really the good guys".

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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I upvoted you because I don't think you should be downvoted for expressing your opinion. But I also think we should wonder: how many white armed men were killed?

Did I express an opinion? I'm pretty sure I just quoted a statistic. But since you asked: American police kill white men (including unarmed white men) at the same rate at which they kill black men, once you control for crime rate and poverty. But police killings of white men don't become national news. Tony Timpa died in near-identical circumstances to George Floyd. Ask yourself why you haven't heard of him. Or Ryan…

This is why I don't think you should be downvoted.

As long as you express something in a civil way, you should be able to do it without repercussion.

And you did.

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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post #185
post #180

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Punching people in the face is illegal regardless of the reason - I don't really see how that's relevant? Are you really saying that it should be impossible for someone to lose their job over what they say? If someone, for example, threatened to kill a co-worker, you don't think they should be fired? I appreciate that this is an extreme example, but when we talk about rights, don't we have to cover all examples of sp…

> Punching people in the face is illegal regardless of the reason - I don't really see how that's relevant? The 'freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences' was popularized (repopularized?) and became a somewhat mainstream talking point in America around 2016-17 to justify political violence with the "punch a nazi" thing and stuff. It's the "paradox of tolerance".

Fair enough. I'm certainly not advocating that it's ok to punch someone over something they said.

The context of this thread (expressing political opinions at work) makes me think the other types of consequence are more relevant for this discussion though.

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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I consider myself a very politically informed person. I'm not a politically active person however, largely for the reasons mentioned in the article. I considered myself a liberal by the standards of the time I grew up in. My views on some social issues, particularly 'free speech', are considered a conservative now. I am one of the people the article is concerning who will not publicly voice their political opinions i…

Looking at UK politics… It's funny how people who are conservative claim their right to free speech is being curtailed when at the same time they're busy curtailing the rights of people who aren't like them - immigrants, non-Cis, non-white people, climate change protesters etc. Oh and let's not forget that the conservatives in the UK branded the likely implications of Brexit as “project fear”

Which rights are they curtailing and how are they doing it?

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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It might be true that opposing some progressive social issues (which ones?) could get you in trouble in the workplace, but it's always been true that expressing economic left wing views will get you in trouble. Try telling your boss that personal wealth should be capped and heavily redistributed, or that their industry would be better off nationalized, or any of a number of socialist views, and you may get fired as well.

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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post #150

I am so tired of constantly hearing about politics at my workplace. Politics have already made their way into the tv shows, music, video games, and online forums that I enjoy. At least let me disconnect from that outrage-fuel at work. It also affects team cohesion. I can easily collaborate with just about anyone when I don’t know their political beliefs. As soon as I find out someone holds opposing views on a topic I…

Were your TV shows, video games, etc really lacking in politics before? Or was it just a different kind of politics? (Honest question.)

The commmon joke goes something like this. Video gamers think there are only:

* Two races: white and ""political""

* Two genders: male and ""political""

* Two sexualities: straight and ""political""

* Two body types: normative and ""political""

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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> 'gay' had a completely different meaning to what it does these days. And as for the subject itself, being completely taboo it was never discussed > If one looks at the problem globally, speaking one's mind in public nowadays is fraught with dangers. No wonder that so few actually do so. You don’t see any irony?

No?

Second chance :P

> being completely taboo it was never discussed

> speaking one's mind in public nowadays is fraught with dangers.

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