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Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by dmak »

js2 wrote: post #116

> I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. We're an iPhone family, but damn is that lame. How about: make the best product. Don't coerce people into buying an iPhone. It drives me crazy how fractured messaging has become. Here's a recent example. My non-technical aunt tried to send a group iMessage to my wife and me. For me…

You found Signal very sub-par for everyday messaging when compared to WhatsApp? May I ask how so? Because I found those 2 of the many I use to be very similar if not the same.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by toast0 »

room500 wrote: post #130
vips7L wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be carrier related but the carriers seem extremely uninterested in solving the sms/mms problem at all.

It is solved if phones use RCS. RCS allows many of the features you love in iMessage - e2e encryption, typing indicators, large files, delivery receipts, reactions, etc. And it is all standards-based and backed by the carriers. Android phones do support RCS. Apple will not implement it. Apple will only support the bare minimum of SMS/MMS and then people wonder why it doesn't work well. Carriers have worked to improve…

RCS doesn't solve the core issue that carriers are bad at providing messaging systems and even worse at interconnecting their messaging systems.

If carriers were good at messaging systems, SMS wouldn't be so unreliable and expensive. MMS would have worked well. But sure, maybe their new system works? Except, for the most part it's only rolling out widely because Google decided to be the default RCS server, so it's yet another Google messaging service; 9th time is the charm.

Google deployed e2e in rcs at the end of last year... But does that mean it works everywhere? I'm guessing probably not.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by dmak »

Valkhyr wrote: post #145
majjam wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind elaborating on why Signal was sub-par? I use it as my main messenger and find it to be fine. There have been issues where older clients couldn’t receive messages and needed to upgrade their phones to fix. And migrating to a new phone is fragile, but everyday messaging seems ok to me. Edit: honestly the challenge is getting other people to install it

Can't speak for the poster you are responding to, but as someone who also uses Signal for a portion of my social circle, here's my big one: Signal is tied to a phone number, so I can't use it from multiple devices/platforms (unless I want to show up as a different entity from each of them). This alone is the reason why I personally would not freely choose Signal, and only use it because some of my friends insist :-\

You can use it on the desktop and it syncs fine. Have you looked into it recently?

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by naosouumapessoa »

decafninja wrote: post #18

I feel like I'm the only iPhone user that barely makes use of iMessage. All my chat communications is done via Google Hangouts (or whatever they call it these days), WhatsApp, or Kakao (I'm Korean). I think I have exactly one friend who I use iMessage with. Then again, half my friends are Android users, so...

Well, another datapoint. Here in Brazil, my family and friends all use iphones but no one uses imessage. Just whatsapp.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by prepend »

kop316 wrote: post #140
rblatz wrote: post #134

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I bet they also have side groups without you in it for when they want to share videos/photos or not deal with MMS jank. Nothing personal, we had to do the same thing to my brother and his fiance. Group MMS is busted it has inconsistent delivery, videos and images are compressed to the point of being basically worthless. Sometimes I'll get 3 of 4 people's messages leaving me with a partial conversation, then hours lat…

I'm really not sure how to respond to this, because you are assuming a lot of unheatlhy family dynamics there. I will say would hope if you value you relationship with your brother and his fiance, that you actually told him you do that and offered a comprimise on how to chat.

I’d like you to query your family and find out. Of course this is not a reasonable request and I’ll likely never know.

This isn’t to mean you have poor relationships. It’s just extremely likely as it happens in every other group.

I have friends and family who I don’t include in group chats because we’re using iOS features. It’s nothing significant so I don’t tell them about it.

I also have group chats with them. An example is there’s a family group chat about a planned vacation, everyone is on it. It’s pretty important.

I have numerous other group chats with hiking photos and kid photos that don’t include them because they can’t do moment shares and all the stuff that my family members send out from their iPhone.

I don’t think this means we have a bad relationship. I also don’t text my elderly family members who don’t have mobiles, I call them.

It’s just a function of using convenient tools and what’s available.

Similarly I have friends and business groups that only communicate through discord or whatsapp or viber, etc. I would never feel bad because a subset of my friends started a chat on Facebook and didn’t include me. I don’t use that app.

But I also don’t believe that I’m in all group chats with all people I think are important.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by slfnflctd »

threeseed wrote: post #143
slfnflctd wrote: post #42

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I'm referring to iMessage specifically causing tons of unnecessary problems when switching from an iPhone to an Android phone. This was over 5 years ago so I have no idea what's fixed or isn't now, but I do still occasionally have problems when an iPhone user tries to message me as part of a group. These were all intermittent: Messages were lost or delayed for very long periods (going both ways), groups were complete…

That thread is from 8 years ago. And you're talking about issues from 5 years ago. I really don't understand why you think it's relevant today.

Because the title of the article this thread is about is, "Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013".

Which is exactly what should have happened.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by nvr219 »

js2 wrote: post #116

> I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. We're an iPhone family, but damn is that lame. How about: make the best product. Don't coerce people into buying an iPhone. It drives me crazy how fractured messaging has become. Here's a recent example. My non-technical aunt tried to send a group iMessage to my wife and me. For me…

I agree with everything you said. WhatsApp is the best right now and that makes me very sad.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by nvr219 »

dmak wrote: post #153
Valkhyr wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't speak for the poster you are responding to, but as someone who also uses Signal for a portion of my social circle, here's my big one: Signal is tied to a phone number, so I can't use it from multiple devices/platforms (unless I want to show up as a different entity from each of them). This alone is the reason why I personally would not freely choose Signal, and only use it because some of my friends insist :-\

You can use it on the desktop and it syncs fine. Have you looked into it recently?

I have. It doesn't sync message history. I have the desktop client on one computer, and if I set up the desktop client on my other computer (the one I'm on right now) it won't bring over all the past messages - it'll be like I'm starting fresh.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by nvr219 »

dmak wrote: post #151
js2 wrote: post #116

> I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. We're an iPhone family, but damn is that lame. How about: make the best product. Don't coerce people into buying an iPhone. It drives me crazy how fractured messaging has become. Here's a recent example. My non-technical aunt tried to send a group iMessage to my wife and me. For me…

You found Signal very sub-par for everyday messaging when compared to WhatsApp? May I ask how so? Because I found those 2 of the many I use to be very similar if not the same.

Reposting something I posted a few months ago:

The biggest reason is larger user base. But here are two things I do in WhatsApp that I can't do in Signal:

- Share live location. If I need to meet up with somebody, or let someone know how far away I am and when I'm arriving, I use share live location. "Share for 1 hour." In Signal you can share your location at a moment in time but it doesn't update.

- Broadcast messages ("mass text" basically). In WhatsApp I can send a message to a list of people without the people on the list seeing each other (to them it looks like I messaged them 1:1). In Signal I would have to use a group and all the members would see each other.

And now to add:

- Message history across apps. When I install the signal desktop app, it doesn't pull the message history with it.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by js2 »

dmak wrote: post #151
js2 wrote: post #116

> I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. We're an iPhone family, but damn is that lame. How about: make the best product. Don't coerce people into buying an iPhone. It drives me crazy how fractured messaging has become. Here's a recent example. My non-technical aunt tried to send a group iMessage to my wife and me. For me…

You found Signal very sub-par for everyday messaging when compared to WhatsApp? May I ask how so? Because I found those 2 of the many I use to be very similar if not the same.

It's been awhile since I tried Signal. At the time, the UI was sluggish and I don't think it even had a share extension. I'll give it a fresh try.
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