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Post by gowld »

akiselev wrote: post #78
rxhernandez wrote: post #70

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There are very much different versions of the truth; even at a fundamental level. Do you know what a reference frame in Physics is?

What you are alluding to are different observations of the truth. The concept of reference frames depends on the universality of the laws of physics, which by definition means that there can only be one version of the truth. By the time your reference frame catches up to another, the observations converge.

By relativity and quantum mechanics, some frames can never catch up with some others.

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Post by ddalex »

TheBill wrote: post #113
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #106

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They don't need bulk oxygen generated ad-hoc. They need medical grade oxygen delivered in standard medical equipment that they can use in a controlled manner right away. Chemistry experiments won't solve this.

Go to a praxair in the states and ask what the difference is: tested to 5x9's and loaded into a vacuum pulled bottle. ANY O2 at pressure is suitable to for human consumption at the surface because ANY impurities that are actually harmful would explode at 200 bar. Anything else (say from a PSA nitrox generator) would only be things like Argon. Ad hoc O2 is better than no O2.

You can't breathe in industrial Oxygen. At least, you need a humidifier cycle in between or it's going to dry out your lungs.

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Post by saas_sam »

OJFord wrote: post #104
lindy2021 wrote: post #55

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The original meaning of "religion" in Arabic ("Din") is law. What you call "religious error" is tantamount to "illegal behaviour" to others.

That made me naïvely curious about 'Aladdin'; yep: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1_%D... Seems unrelated to Hindi (via Sanskrit) दिन 'din' meaning 'day' though. (Not that I expected it because 'day' and 'religious' are similar in meaning, just curious because there is overlap, and borrowed terms (well, with Persian, but those in turn often derived or cognate with Arabic, at least in my idly…

It makes me think of "dan" too as in the Tribe of Dan in the Bible. Dan = judge. Daniel = god (el) judges me. The Tribe of Dan supposedly spread out and, some say, seeded other civilizations up the Dan-ube river up into Dan-mark. For real.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by dalbasal »

MattGaiser wrote: post #88
yangikan wrote: post #77

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I don't know why twitter does this. From https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/business/india-covid19-tw... One of the tweets removed from view was posted by Moloy Ghatak, a labor minister in the opposition-ruled West Bengal state, where Mr. Modi’s party hopes to make big gains in an ongoing election. Mr. Ghatak accused Mr. Modi of “mismanagement” and held him directly responsible for the deaths. His tweet included imag…

> I don't know why twitter does this. A reality of scaring social media companies with regulatory threats. People call for regulation and unsurprisingly their priority becomes keeping those who might regulate them happy with them.

>>unsurprisingly their priority becomes keeping those who might regulate them happy.

Unsurprising, and not necessarily unwanted. IDK if you mean people or politicians by "they," but (in a democracy) they're the ones who make rules. Whether it's mandating access, limiting access, moderating, censoring, allowing freedom of speech or just mandating that stated policies are followed consistently... I think social media is unquestionably a "public concern" currently.

That doesn't mean that I support Twitter censoring on behalf of Modi. But, it does demonstrate on how broken the new media is. Zuck and Dorsey have no sense of responsibility, and no idea how to take responsibility even if they did have the sense.

It goes without saying that Zuck and Dorsey have no journalistic ethic. They're not journalism, they just ate journalism. No counterpart to a journalistic ethic, or even a lip-service to one. So... they control the important chunk of media worldwide, and they truly don't know what an ethical approach would even be.

Makes Murdoch look like a saint.

A big part of the problem here, ironically, is that Twitter and FB can get away with absolute arbitrariness. It makes it easy for thuggish political types to get their way.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by offmycloud »

baybal2 wrote: post #98
amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Do you guys still need oxygen there? How is the situation there really? I called a few of my contacts, and get very diverging pictures. No interruptions in Kochi, to some stress in Hyderabad, Chennai, Bengaluru, to total apocalypse in Noida. I see oxygen production being such a basic industrial process, that I never could've imagined even a most poorly industrialised country having troubles producing it. It's tragic…

Using crudely produced industrial oxygen for medical purposes (human breathing) is dangerous. Even with the warnings included above, people will not fully understand the risks and consequences of using a DIY oxygen generator, including long-term lung damage.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by baybal2 »

yangikan wrote: post #77
amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

I don't know why twitter does this. From https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/business/india-covid19-tw... One of the tweets removed from view was posted by Moloy Ghatak, a labor minister in the opposition-ruled West Bengal state, where Mr. Modi’s party hopes to make big gains in an ongoing election. Mr. Ghatak accused Mr. Modi of “mismanagement” and held him directly responsible for the deaths. His tweet included imag…

O People, tell me, what material is Modi G's approval rating made of? That would be a material science breakthrough.

It seems as if his approval rating is just glued to the 60%-70% mark no matter what, even today.

If it keeps above 60% even with the current royal mess happening, I don't know what else Modi can do to loose the election.

Are people sick, and tired of INC so much that they still prefer Modi over an alternative of INC coming back to power?

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Post by CamperBob2 »

moduspol wrote: post #135
crooked-v wrote: post #65

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No, people actually do believe that - even people who are literally being treated for COVID-19 at the time they make those claims. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/a-wave-of-covid-pati... > He mentions hating “fake news”. He says, “I don’t think covids is really more than a flu.“ I clarified, “Now you think differently though?” > He replies, “No the same. I should just take vitamins for my immune system. They…

Some people believe flat earth theories. It's still unreasonable to paint that as a widely held belief of those who disagree with you.

Fact is, the theories are widely held.

And in a democracy, that goes a long way.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by fareesh »

The way these companies openly engage in politically biased publishing and selective enforcement in the USA made this kind of thing inevitable.

During this past election the New York Post was banned because of a story that painted candidate Biden's son in a poor light, and nearly everyone who works in these companies wanted candidate Biden to win so they used their positions to protect his image, knowing that there would be no real consequences for them.

Now we have a crisis in my country and we are unable to criticize the government publicly because our posts can just be suppressed on a whim. We know all about the coveted "muh next billion users" meme that these companies obsess over - some of you probably hear about it at work all the time. They aren't going to have the cooperation of the government unless they do as they're told.

Just like with the NY Post incident, some song and dance excuse will be concocted about this and everyone will blindly accept it, and expect the rest of us to go along with it like fools, when it's pretty obvious what is happening here. This has even been published in the news a few months ago and the country's policy head got caught telling employees that they had to do their moderating duties in a partisan way so that it did not "damage the company's business prospects in the country", and had to resign (link below). Now we are supposed to believe that this was her personal position and literally zero people in company leadership had the same idea. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54715995)

Next year is a Midterm election in the USA, so I fully expect more coincidental and highly unusual yet conveniently partisan stories like this coming up where some scandal gets buried and some out of context quote gets amplified. We have seen whistleblowers from Facebook talking about features like "deboost" being employed in a partisan manner. By then everyone would have forgotten about this and I'll be seeing "boosted" clips from all the late night TV "comedy" propagandists talking about some obscure senate or house seat in which the fate of the world hangs in the balance lest the evil red party take control. Pathetic.

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Post by lovecg »

hajile wrote: post #95
ceejayoz wrote: post #35

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> I believe that's the line. I believe you're misrepresenting the line. Free speech in the US is about being protected from government -inflicted consequences. I can say "fuck you" all I like, but that's never meant I can say it to my boss and demand a First Amendment right to remain employed. It's never been an absolute, either. Incitement to riot, fraud, libel, actionable threats; all are speech, but we've long acc…

When I was younger, the Left was pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship. Now I'm a bit older and the Right is pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship. It seems that the big factor is power. When you're in power, you use any excuse to silence the people who disagree. When you're not in power, you recognize that free speech is a universal principle. The major…

> It seems that the big factor is power. When you're in power, you use any excuse to silence the people who disagree. When you're not in power, you recognize that free speech is a universal principle.

This is an oversimplification to the point of not agreeing with reality in any useful way.

Just a few months ago the party in power was “for free speech” while the party out of power was arguing for “limiting the reach” of certain content.

It might me more true to say that each party wants there to be more speech that it agrees with (i.e. speech that preserves or gives it more power) and less speech that it doesn’t like. There are more strategies than plain old censorship; as we saw recently drowning out the discourse with falsehoods works just as well. Few people care about some abstract ideal of “free speech”.

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