Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by crooked-v » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

Bang2Bay wrote: post #60

amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Anybody who read the article in its entirety and supporting scenario would agree with what the police is doing.

Why? The man involved did nothing wrong. He didn't even mention COVID-19 in his request for oxygen cylinders.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

elliekelly wrote: post #54

asenna wrote: post #5

The media control and censorship here in India is definitely getting our of hand! Setting aside the absolute criminal mismanagement and planning of the Covid situation in the past few months, the fact that the people in power are still applying their brains and might into figuring out how to manipulate the narrative and how to squash dissent in this moment when the country is going through an unimaginable disaster. J…

I don’t understand what Modi is doing. It seems like many huge companies based in the west will be looking to leave China (as much as possible) in the next 5ish years and India is a democracy perfectly situated to grab all of that economic productivity. They have the education, the infrastructure, and the population. All they have to do is be a bit less dictator-y than China and a bit more respectful of human rights.…

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Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by lindy2021 » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #28

I've always wanted to ask the HN community about this problem, what exactly can be done from a technology standpoint? I feel we're already at a point where tools are available to make a censorship resistant social network. The main challenges would be: - Kickstarting a network is a difficult problem - A way to ensure sane content moderation (child porn / abuse, etc) while still keeping the decision-making decentraliz…

> Kickstarting a network is a difficult problem

Crypto networks can solve this through incentivising early adopters, e.g. https://bitclout.com

> A way to ensure sane content moderation (child porn / abuse, etc) while still keeping the decision-making decentralized enough

Subscribable mute and block lists. This allows each user to tailor moderation to their comfort level.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by lovecg » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:59 PM UTC

This headline is at best misleading and at worst intentionally dishonest. How I interpreted it when I first saw it: “Facebook is considering hiding these posts” (looking into, as in planning to do something). Censorship, bad, etc. What it actually says (after reading the article and the referenced tweet): “Facebook is investigating why these posts were removed” (looking into, as in investigating an action that happened).

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by Bang2Bay » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:05 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #5

The media control and censorship here in India is definitely getting our of hand! Setting aside the absolute criminal mismanagement and planning of the Covid situation in the past few months, the fact that the people in power are still applying their brains and might into figuring out how to manipulate the narrative and how to squash dissent in this moment when the country is going through an unimaginable disaster. J…

The real reason is government tried to help. Cabinet minister reached out to help[1] . Sent cops to help . cops ran around calling, tracking and finally found the truth. Since there was no real need for oxygen in this case, cops suspect he tweeted to sensationalise.[2] if there was a need for oxygen then we could expect there would have been no arrest.

[1] https://twitter.com/smritiirani/status/1386763271835774980?s... [2] https://twitter.com/indiantweeter/status/1387293380212715524...

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by Bang2Bay » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:06 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #64

elliekelly wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what Modi is doing. It seems like many huge companies based in the west will be looking to leave China (as much as possible) in the next 5ish years and India is a democracy perfectly situated to grab all of that economic productivity. They have the education, the infrastructure, and the population. All they have to do is be a bit less dictator-y than China and a bit more respectful of human rights.…

Absolutely agree with this. In fact even if the minimum they do is walk back to how the country was before Modi, that would be a huge step forward. Not talking about politics here but just to a time when comedians and journalists didn't have to fear harassment for doing their jobs. Also a fun fact - Modi has not done a single open, unscripted press conference in his entire 7 years of being in power! Can you actually…

probably the likes of arfa khanum are not of interest to modi.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by yangikan » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:07 PM UTC

amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

I don't know why twitter does this.

From https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/business/india-covid19-tw...

One of the tweets removed from view was posted by Moloy Ghatak, a labor minister in the opposition-ruled West Bengal state, where Mr. Modi’s party hopes to make big gains in an ongoing election. Mr. Ghatak accused Mr. Modi of “mismanagement” and held him directly responsible for the deaths. His tweet included images of Mr. Modi and his election rallies beside those of the cremations and compared him to Nero, the Roman emperor, for choosing to hold political gatherings and exporting vaccines during a “health crisis.” Another tweet from Revanth Reddy, a sitting member of the parliament, used a hashtag that blamed Mr. Modi for the “disaster.” “India recording over 2 lakh cases everyday,” it said, using an Indian numbering unit that means 200,000 cases. “Shortage of vaccines, shortage of medicines, increasing number of deaths.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by akiselev » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

rxhernandez wrote: post #70

eloff wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no versions of truth. Those are called opinions if there can be more than one.

There are very much different versions of the truth; even at a fundamental level. Do you know what a reference frame in Physics is?

What you are alluding to are different observations of the truth. The concept of reference frames depends on the universality of the laws of physics, which by definition means that there can only be one version of the truth. By the time your reference frame catches up to another, the observations converge.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by lovecg » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:10 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #28

I've always wanted to ask the HN community about this problem, what exactly can be done from a technology standpoint? I feel we're already at a point where tools are available to make a censorship resistant social network. The main challenges would be: - Kickstarting a network is a difficult problem - A way to ensure sane content moderation (child porn / abuse, etc) while still keeping the decision-making decentraliz…

What’s a “censorship resistant social network”? Would Trump be allowed on this platform? Would it be hosted on AWS? One person’s censorship is another person’s moderation.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by ttt0 » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:10 PM UTC

hkt wrote: post #36

lindy2021 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is on Biden's watch. Trump was berated for even contemplating deploying the National Guard as American cities burnt last summer.

A comparison between BLM protests and precautions against the storming of the federal legislature by people who sincerely believed the election was "stolen" is infantile and skewed in the extreme.

Indeed it is. I don't care about lying politicians getting uncomfortable for a brief moment. Those peaceful protests on the other hand got normal day-to-day people hurt and killed.