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Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by Teknoman117 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #43
LatteLazy wrote: post #25

How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

Notably, at the very beginning of the pandemic before lockdowns, COVID ravaged nursing and long-term care homes in the PNW and then in the northeast.

Yup.

My grandfather, along with many of the other patients, died in one of these places from COVID in Massachusetts last May.

He was in a physical rehab following heart surgery to fix damage from a botched pacemaker installation. The family spent most of January -> March getting the equipment and reworking his house so he could be cared for at home, but he caught COVID before it was ready. He was in critical condition for 2 months until he finally passed. The real kick in the gut that he was considered "COVID free" for the last two weeks but the damage to his lungs was too great.

My grandmother was able to be with him when he died, holding his hand in a hazmat suit...

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Post by [deleted] »

mattmanser wrote: post #12
throwaway292893 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington. That was when we were still counting the first hundred and contact tracing. The people running the homes dissented against it. He still did it. It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly people by sending a highly contagious disease into their facility. The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action is ind…

UK did exactly the same thing. Everyone was panicking that the epidemic would grow exponentially and the hospitals would get over-run. Hence freeing up beds, and building a bunch of eventually pointless overflow hospitals. A lot of modelling was claiming that's exactly what would happen, e.g. Imperial College London claiming millions of deaths, while the actual infection curves never hit those numbers. In hindsight,…

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Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by macinjosh »

danans wrote: post #40
Fellshard wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.

> Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Your questions above propose the idea of bias in the information delivery and reception, which inherently maps to political partisanship. What other sort of bias could your questions possibly evoke? Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by officials within his own party, and also broadly by the media, whether left, rig…

> Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by officials within his own party, and also broadly by the media, whether left, right, or center.

Correct, but for the nursing home residents and their families that too little too late. I first read about this last summer as the nursing home rules began to take effect. At the time the party and media were too busy holding Cuomo up as an anti-Trumpian figure. They gave him an Emmy and cute nicknames while this happened. It is all just a little too much for me.

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Post by belltaco »

chitowneats wrote: post #77
mmcgaha wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NPR has been talking about this since January or so. Not exactly a right wing propaganda outlet. Howie Carr was talking about it around the same period as NPR. For folks outside of New England, he is a right wing radio host but he puts a spin on actual news rather than just making up garbage. What credible source was talking about this before January?

Right wing media was talking about this last summer. It seems the propaganda was in fact coming from those in the Cuomo administration trying to deflect blame. I don't remember exactly where I heard it first, but I googled and found this US News & World Report story about it from July 14, 2020: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/...

Right wing media has been saying the Covid is just a flu and there was nothing to worry about, and in fact it's the best time to take a flight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o

One has to be crazy to believe anything from the right wing media after things like that which are just a tip of the iceberg of lies they regularly spread. They did it to themselves.

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Post by chitowneats »

belltaco wrote: post #84
chitowneats wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right wing media was talking about this last summer. It seems the propaganda was in fact coming from those in the Cuomo administration trying to deflect blame. I don't remember exactly where I heard it first, but I googled and found this US News & World Report story about it from July 14, 2020: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/...

Right wing media has been saying the Covid is just a flu and there was nothing to worry about, and in fact it's the best time to take a flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o One has to be crazy to believe anything from the right wing media after things like that which are just a tip of the iceberg of lies they regularly spread. They did it to themselves.

This attitude of yours is why you were on the wrong side of a very important news story during an election year.

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Post by _-david-_ »

mmcgaha wrote: post #53
Fellshard wrote: post #8

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

NPR has been talking about this since January or so. Not exactly a right wing propaganda outlet. Howie Carr was talking about it around the same period as NPR. For folks outside of New England, he is a right wing radio host but he puts a spin on actual news rather than just making up garbage. What credible source was talking about this before January?

>What credible source was talking about this before January?

It is probably easier to ask which major news sources were not talking about this prior to January.

You can easily find articles posted prior to January from The Association Press, Fox News, CNN, Daily Wire, NY Post, Daily Mail, Daily Caller, Washington Times, The Federalist, USA Today, etc. Many of those sites had articles back in May.

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

commandlinefan wrote: post #54
danans wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Your questions above propose the idea of bias in the information delivery and reception, which inherently maps to political partisanship. What other sort of bias could your questions possibly evoke? Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by officials within his own party, and also broadly by the media, whether left, rig…

I think what OP is getting at is that it's suspicious that this became a "mainstream" news story this year when it was known last year.

Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat.

The really sick thing as that this sudden influx of give-a-shits is sending the message that "the party will back you if you kill people so long as you don't lose a house seat in the process" which is not a great message to be sending.

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Post by adolph »

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

> The media landscape is beyond broken in this country

Your lack of cynicism is admirable. An alternative hypothesis is that it is working as designed; the treatment of the NY governor is a feature not a bug.

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Post by mmcgaha »

_-david-_ wrote: post #86
mmcgaha wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NPR has been talking about this since January or so. Not exactly a right wing propaganda outlet. Howie Carr was talking about it around the same period as NPR. For folks outside of New England, he is a right wing radio host but he puts a spin on actual news rather than just making up garbage. What credible source was talking about this before January?

>What credible source was talking about this before January? It is probably easier to ask which major news sources were not talking about this prior to January. You can easily find articles posted prior to January from The Association Press, Fox News, CNN, Daily Wire, NY Post, Daily Mail, Daily Caller, Washington Times, The Federalist, USA Today, etc. Many of those sites had articles back in May.

You are confusing two related but different stories. Back then the talk was about the fact that he sent patients back into nursing homes.

It was only later that we discovered that he actively fudged the numbers by not counting nursing home patients that died in hospitals.

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Post by russianbandit »

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

Was Trump right about CNN…?
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