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Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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>Multivariate logistic regression revealed the odds of low testosterone was significantly greater with increasing SSB consumption (Q4 [≥442 kcal/day] vs. Q1 [≤137 kcal/day])

442/4 = 110.5+ grams of sugar, per day, every day. Before even including food. Do people really not know living like this is bad? Is this result really surprising?

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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That supports my claim. If they burn off the calories then they wont get fat and therefore avoid metabolic issues. My whole point is that the bodyfat is causing the issues. If sugar was the root cause then we should be seeing diabetes, etc. in these hunter-gatherer tribes.

Yeah, I should've been more clear that I was supporting what you were saying and agree with your point.

Gotcha. My bad.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

[2] 80% of things you eat have studies correlating them with increased or decreased risk of cancer

Thanks for clarifying!

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

Which sugar is bad? Is fructose as bad as glucose?

No idea - good q!

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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> Sugar basically doesn’t exist in nature without fiber Honey?

Would you take on a hive of bees with "caveman technology?"

I don't know what you mean specifically by caveman technology, but this ethnic group does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadza_people#Subsistence

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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post #5

For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

Which sugar is bad? Is fructose as bad as glucose?

It's the fructose.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Sugar is not bad. Just like meat or bacon is not bad. Why would sugar on its own be bad? Obviously it's the whole lifestyle and diet that is bad. There are cyclist that carb load by eatig raw sugar and have no metabolic issues like some of the overweight diabetics do when they drink their second gallon of sugary coca cola.

I ate more sugar than anyone I knew, and in 2011 I was diagnosed with type II diabetes. I had no family history of diabetes, I was never overweight, and was always athletic. Admittedly, this is a sample set of 1, but I remain convinced that my voracious appetite for sugar played into my diagnosis. I no longer eat sugar (with the exception of fruit).

Could prediabetes have caused your craving for sweets? It happens even without family history.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

I agree there is an enormous amount of shady nutritional nonsense. I disagree with characterizing this study in that way.

This study appears credible for suggesting an association. The authors do not misrepresent this. They acknowledge it does not determine any causality or solutions.

Determining causality is expensive and time consuming. There is not enough research funding available to do that for every plausible hypothesis. We need retrospective studies such as this to determine where further funding should be applied.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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There are lots of examples that support your argument. For example, there are hunter-gatherer tribes living today that consume a significant amount of sugar (up to 60% of their calories) and don't have the same problems with obesity, diabetes, etc. I'm no expert but it seems that the human body doesn't handle bodyfat very well. Perhaps all of this negativity around sugar can be explained by the fact that sugar is cal…

> Perhaps all of this negativity around sugar can be explained by the fact that sugar is calorie-dense and calorie-dense foods tend to make people fat. Sugar is less calorie dense than fat, and this kind of naive reductionist CICO thinking would tend to support the war on fat that preceded recognition of the problems associated with sugar. It’s true that humans are not well adapted to deal with persistent surplus, bu…

> Sugar is less calorie dense than fat

Yes. I never said that it wasn't.

> naive reductionist CICO thinking

CICO is how the body works. If you absorb more calories than you burn you will gain weight. It also doesn't matter the source of the calories. We have metabolic ward studies that tell us that.

> sugary persistent surplus seems to be a particular problem

I agree. In fact one of the prevailing theories of diabetes is that fat molecules enter the cell and get in the way of insulin absorption. In other words, insulin resistance.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

I second this. Nutritional epidemiology is a crime against science and is responsible for countless deaths and billions in lost productivity, unnecessary medical treatment. Fight against nutritional epidemiology for the good of society.

> responsible for countless deaths and billions in lost productivity, unnecessary medical treatment

Wow. Links to supporting documents?

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