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Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by Malician »

serverholic wrote: post #76
cycrutchfield wrote: post #62

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Got it, I think this may be one that you were referring to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadza_people >Honey represents a substantial portion of the Hadza diet (~10-20% of calories)

As a followup here's a paper on the various tribes. Sorry I don't have a download link to the full PDF: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24746602/ In that paper they also reference the Mbuti pygmies of the Congo. Specifically: "The Mbuti of the Congo forests eat large amounts of honey. According to Ichikawa (1981), honey is their favorite food. At times, during the rainy season up to 80% of the calories in their diet…

I wonder, though, what happens if you investigate the important variables - "up to", "during the rainy season," - maybe the human body can tolerate this for short periods of time, but not 24/7; and pygmies makes me think lower growth hormone / IGF-1, so the impact of the sugar may not be near as bad

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by phonypc »

Jiocus wrote: post #74
stryan wrote: post #29

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Is there a study about that? I'd love to see more info on difference in health effects between fountain soda vs bottled/canned.

I think this is a misconception. It's not about the fountain vs canned or bottle soda. Carbon dioxide lowers the pH of a drink to 4.5, which is acidic. The acid pH level erodes teeth and one shouldn't brush their teeth too soon after drinking soda because the enamel can be damaged. (Edit: acid on your teeth is always bad, brushing or not.) Getting a soft drink from a fountain often means getting a straw for your cup…

The pH of soft drinks is more typically in the range 2-4, due to the addition of various acids.

And the negative effect of soft drinks on dental health is primarily from the action of acid-producing bacteria metabolizing sugar. Diet drinks aren't nearly as bad for your teeth, carbonated water barely has any effect.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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at-fates-hands wrote: post #71
serverholic wrote: post #38

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There are lots of examples that support your argument. For example, there are hunter-gatherer tribes living today that consume a significant amount of sugar (up to 60% of their calories) and don't have the same problems with obesity, diabetes, etc. I'm no expert but it seems that the human body doesn't handle bodyfat very well. Perhaps all of this negativity around sugar can be explained by the fact that sugar is cal…

>> there are hunter-gatherer tribes living today that consume a significant amount of sugar (up to 60% of their calories) and don't have the same problems with obesity, diabetes, The reason they don't have those issues is they are constantly burning calories and in constant motion. H/G is not an easy life and those tribes (both men and women) put in a ton of manual labor. In college I remember one film where a tribe…

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Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by knuthsat »

deepnotderp wrote: post #35
knuthsat wrote: post #21

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This is not true. The Robert Lustig scaremongering is a big lie. In his talk he mentions the healthy Japanese but he does not mention that they eat more calories from fructose (in percentage of their consumed calories) than USA citizens yet are healthier. Similarly how people stand against epidemiology they should stand against demonizing single ingredients. Apple, by Lustig's opinion, is the worst fruit there is but…

Fruits are metabolized very differently than their extracted sugar content though

Exactly, yet all of the studies blaming sugar concentrate on fructose and glucose concentrate studies.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by Shorel »

knuthsat wrote: post #9
narush wrote: post #5

For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

Sugar is not bad. Just like meat or bacon is not bad. Why would sugar on its own be bad? Obviously it's the whole lifestyle and diet that is bad. There are cyclist that carb load by eatig raw sugar and have no metabolic issues like some of the overweight diabetics do when they drink their second gallon of sugary coca cola.

That line of thinking has brought the worst obesity epidemic in history to our world.

Please go and read all of Gary Taubes books to see the politics and bad science behind this propaganda.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by knuthsat »

parineum wrote: post #66
cycrutchfield wrote: post #64

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When people say sugar they are generally referring to sucrose. When they say that sugar is toxic, it's not because it's broken down into glucose, it's because it is also broken down into fructose. The metabolism of fructose is somewhat analogous to that of ethanol. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3649103/

> The metabolism of fructose is somewhat analogous to that of ethanol. Does that mean it's toxic?

Of course not, because that study analyzes concentrates and not natural source of fructose. Eating the equivalent amount of fructose used in those studies in fruit will never get you similar effects to ethanol. These studies are interesting but vacuous.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by serverholic »

Malician wrote: post #91
serverholic wrote: post #76

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As a followup here's a paper on the various tribes. Sorry I don't have a download link to the full PDF: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24746602/ In that paper they also reference the Mbuti pygmies of the Congo. Specifically: "The Mbuti of the Congo forests eat large amounts of honey. According to Ichikawa (1981), honey is their favorite food. At times, during the rainy season up to 80% of the calories in their diet…

I wonder, though, what happens if you investigate the important variables - "up to", "during the rainy season," - maybe the human body can tolerate this for short periods of time, but not 24/7; and pygmies makes me think lower growth hormone / IGF-1, so the impact of the sugar may not be near as bad

Other tribes consistently eat as much or more sugar than westerners on average. So I'm not sure if what you're saying can explain the difference.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by mixmastamyk »

tansey wrote: post #37
baq wrote: post #28

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Nice trolling, I hope, because it’s terrifying if you’re serious. Sugar basically doesn’t exist in nature without fiber. Animals have not evolved to consume significant quantities of it. Bacterial flora in your gut is different when you have sugar and not enough fiber.

> Sugar basically doesn’t exist in nature without fiber Honey?

Would you take on a hive of bees with "caveman technology?"

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by mixmastamyk »

brian_cunnie wrote: post #81
knuthsat wrote: post #9

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Sugar is not bad. Just like meat or bacon is not bad. Why would sugar on its own be bad? Obviously it's the whole lifestyle and diet that is bad. There are cyclist that carb load by eatig raw sugar and have no metabolic issues like some of the overweight diabetics do when they drink their second gallon of sugary coca cola.

I ate more sugar than anyone I knew, and in 2011 I was diagnosed with type II diabetes. I had no family history of diabetes, I was never overweight, and was always athletic. Admittedly, this is a sample set of 1, but I remain convinced that my voracious appetite for sugar played into my diagnosis. I no longer eat sugar (with the exception of fruit).

One of the interviews in the "Sugar Coated" documentary was about a pair of athletes that faced the same trouble.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by Jtsummers »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #98
tansey wrote: post #37

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> Sugar basically doesn’t exist in nature without fiber Honey?

Would you take on a hive of bees with "caveman technology?"

Does caveman technology include fire and the ability to produce smoke?
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