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Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by afavour »

kop316 wrote: post #70
Nextgrid wrote: post #68

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> Why doesn't this happen on iMessage? Because iMessage is not MMS - it uses a custom protocol and works completely independently from the carriers.

Fair enough, I admittedly haven't looked the iMessage protocol so I don't know much about it. I just know that if you have an iPhone, you have to set your MMSC to Apple's servers versus the carrier's servers.

> I just know that if you have an iPhone, you have to set your MMSC to Apple's servers versus the carrier's servers.

I don't believe this is true. To the best of my knowledge (and a quick Google) Apple has no MMSC servers. I've certainly never input any.

SMS and MMS sent on iOS use the same servers an Android phone would. But when the target phone number is detected as being iMessage capable that whole system is ignored and iMessage is used instead.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by vmception »

jmt_ wrote: post #61
decafninja wrote: post #46

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I'm actually in NYC too. Definitely see tons of Androids here. I've never seen or heard of people exchanging IG information - is that really a thing? Maybe I'm getting old.

Mainly a Gen Z thing I believe (speaking as a member of said generation). Many people my age see their phone numbers as being more private information that should be given to those you trust, so may not want to give out to someone you just met at a bar for example. Instagram can be used as a sort of barrier. Also, each party gets more insight into the others lives by checking out their Instagram account which is usua…

I'm actually begrudgingly graduating from asking for Instagram usernames to asking for TikTok usernames.

A lot of Gen Z (18-23) are not using their Instagram accounts, or they have so many instagram accounts that they don't check and it is a high probability that you receive their "thirst trap" account where they just collect followers to look at their body and ignore. Not necessarily to consciously ignore, but just never check the messages at all because their personal instagram with their group conversations are elsewhere.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by aryonoco »

girvo wrote: post #27
dav43 wrote: post #21

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Likewise. Almost all my circles (90%) are iPhone based in Australia and Singapore. All WhatsApp, Signal.

Curious. 95% of my circle are Australian, 80% of them use iPhones, and absolutely all of us use iMessage for nearly all text communication. Signal is used for the iPhone to Android communication sometimes, but honestly it’s mostly just SMS.

Fascinating. Most of my circles are Australian, the majority have iPhones, and yet I have never seen anyone mention iMessage. Everyone I know uses Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp, with Telegram and Signal being very distant third and fourths.

We must have very different circles!

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by panzagl »

sodality2 wrote: post #23
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> (protip: its affecting your life and relationships) Haha, what? Anyway, joke's on them, I use Signal.

Group MMS is terrible (group chats in general) and you can't really expect a group of people to all download and install a new app because one person has it. In all likelihood, you will simply be excluded or if it's important, you will be forced to use something like facebook messenger, google hangouts, instagram, etc which is worse than SMS.

Wait, I can't expect everyone to download an app, but I should expect everyone to buy a $500-1000 phone? That's ridiculous.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by sumedh »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #37
vmception wrote: post #17

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Yes and WhatsApp is not as popular in the US, with messaging being very fragmented between a variety of other Facebook products.

WhatsApp was a game changer for people that had international contacts. Before WhatsApp, all the mobile networks (at least in the US) charged exorbitant amounts of money for international SMS and MMS. Then, WhatsApp came and it was free and cross platform, compressed images and video to send them quick with decent quality, and free of spam. Absolutely perfect execution, in my opinion. If it was not owned by Facebook,…

> Absolutely perfect execution, in my opinion.

There were no usernames with watsapp, its just your phone number, its so easy that even my mom can use it.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by kop316 »

afavour wrote: post #71
kop316 wrote: post #70

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Fair enough, I admittedly haven't looked the iMessage protocol so I don't know much about it. I just know that if you have an iPhone, you have to set your MMSC to Apple's servers versus the carrier's servers.

> I just know that if you have an iPhone, you have to set your MMSC to Apple's servers versus the carrier's servers. I don't believe this is true. To the best of my knowledge (and a quick Google) Apple has no MMSC servers. I've certainly never input any. SMS and MMS sent on iOS use the same servers an Android phone would. But when the target phone number is detected as being iMessage capable that whole system is igno…

Fair enough. For a day or so I was looking up if I could somehow emulate iMessage on a Pinephone, and I remember a lot of it being a non-starter unless you had an iPhone. It stuck out to me that Apple had their own MMSC for some reason. But perhaps it is old news or I read the wrong post?

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by oneplane »

musingsole wrote: post #29
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I suppose you are one of the special few in that case. In other social groups people tend to gravitate towards a common messaging infrastructure, only sharing the absolute essentials when reminded of those that are not part of that shared system. This means that while you might be part of the group while physically present, you are not a part of the group outside of that. For billions of people around the world that…

Eh, if you aren't able to stay connected to a group despite not using that group's chosen technology, you're not that critical to the group. I'm not advocating to hold your participation hostage, but someone organizing a group to use exclusionary practices despite knowing specific members can't or won't participate is a classic bullying tactic. Family members employ it often.

Eh, a social group isn't a business gathering nor is it a calculated construct. We're talking about people following their natural attraction.

People don't consciously 'organise' a group with some 'group manager' and a nice hierarchy, technology choice panels, and acquisition procedures. There isn't some grand evil plan where the 'group CEO' selects the technology that everyone now has to use. This is just users using an end-user service on their end-user device that doesn't cause them friction and makes them happy.

People don't think "I want to send an instant message to my group-colleagues on their mobile OS on their mobile hardware over their WWAN link to setup a meeting in our shared calendar for a ninety minute gathering for a consumption of nutrients". They generally think: "I could go for a bite, I'll let my friends know so we could go together". Everything that makes that harder just gets thrown out.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by monic »

vmception wrote: post #3
exabrial wrote: post #2

They would have captured 100% of the messaging market. Reminds me of '90s *Nix companies with sales bros wanting to sling around overpriced hardware, preventing expansion of the company in other fronts.

Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

The blue green bubble is no more pretentious than letting people know if your messages are encrypted.

It’d would’ve been inflammatory but accurate and informative to put an insecure padlock for unencrypted messages which may be read by your carrier.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by patja »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #37
vmception wrote: post #17

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Yes and WhatsApp is not as popular in the US, with messaging being very fragmented between a variety of other Facebook products.

WhatsApp was a game changer for people that had international contacts. Before WhatsApp, all the mobile networks (at least in the US) charged exorbitant amounts of money for international SMS and MMS. Then, WhatsApp came and it was free and cross platform, compressed images and video to send them quick with decent quality, and free of spam. Absolutely perfect execution, in my opinion. If it was not owned by Facebook,…

All it asks is to hand over all your private contacts. For me that is a ridiculously high price.
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