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Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by maxerickson »

elp wrote: post #32
bafumio wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that make the co2 and methan go away? Every cow produces it. And do you have a conflict that you are able to pay higher prices for meat than a lot of other people?

Is there something specific about cows that produces more methane than other animals? Assuming we stopped cow farming completely and the fields were turned into wild live reserves of bison or something would emissions magically go down? Or do they no longer count as anthropogenic so we can magically ignore them?

A huge portion of beef calories come from mechanically harvested feed (pasture crops and soy and corn).

The emissions related to those calories would go away.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by fortran77 »

tasssko wrote: post #14

I do think the problem is there is no differentiation between organic animal husbandry which has proven benefits (the pastures capture carbon dioxide etc) and the intensive factory farms. I have been reasonably selective of my meat sources over the past decade buying from a local butcher who sources from local organic farms and i am a happy customer and not ashamed.

The majority of the Western world eats too much food!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/global-shift-obes...

We need to start taxing the Obese and Overweight to encourage them to put their forks down, and to pay for their externalities. With 67% of Americans obese or overweight, this would help more than switching to a "better" beef.

https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20191220/growing-obe...

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Post by elite_hackers »

junon wrote: post #46
elite_hackers wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think -that- is the “biggest problem” with climate change? I’ve got bad news for you kid

You missed my point and you were a jerk in the process. Bravo.

I’m sorry your feelings were hurt.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by elite_hackers »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #22
elite_hackers wrote: post #12

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You think repairing literally millions of abandoned leaking natural gas wells is easier?

I don't really know but my gut feeling is that you can sit down with the 99.9% of those well owners at a single OPEC or IOGP meeting. However, you would struggle to enforce any meat industry curbing measure with the millions of meat producers spread across many developing countries.

They don’t have owners, they are abandoned.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-drilling-abandoned-sp...

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by [deleted] »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #22
elite_hackers wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think repairing literally millions of abandoned leaking natural gas wells is easier?

I don't really know but my gut feeling is that you can sit down with the 99.9% of those well owners at a single OPEC or IOGP meeting. However, you would struggle to enforce any meat industry curbing measure with the millions of meat producers spread across many developing countries.

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Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by Ancapistani »

maxerickson wrote: post #51
elp wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there something specific about cows that produces more methane than other animals? Assuming we stopped cow farming completely and the fields were turned into wild live reserves of bison or something would emissions magically go down? Or do they no longer count as anthropogenic so we can magically ignore them?

A huge portion of beef calories come from mechanically harvested feed (pasture crops and soy and corn). The emissions related to those calories would go away.

Beef production accounts for 9% of US corn production: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_production_in_the_United_...

If we have a magic wand and that disappeared entirely tomorrow, that would simply be allocated to other areas. There’s a reason sodas in the US are sweetened with HFCS and our gasoline is cut with ethanol produced from corn - because of lobbying efforts to subsidize corn production, which has driven down costs, which in turn made it profitable to use corn in ways where it wouldn’t otherwise make sense. Europe uses ethanol derived from sugar beets, which is significantly more efficient in terms of CO2.

It’s significantly more complex than “if we reduce beef consumption, we’ll reduce corn consumption”.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by elite_hackers3 »

CaptArmchair wrote: post #50
airhead969 wrote: post #48

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The US govt subsidizes many grains and provides socialism to farmers to make soda and burgers cheap, at the cost of healthcare and the climate. Often, fast food is only what poor people can afford.

True enough. I wouldn't call it "socialism" though. The reality is that individual / independent farming isn't economically viable since farmers have to compete with these large factory farms. Most farmers running factory farms at the behest of large private corporations who define what the farmer can and can't do because they invest in these farms. Factory farms aren't diverse farms: they produce only one specific c…

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Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by maxerickson »

Ancapistani wrote: post #57
maxerickson wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A huge portion of beef calories come from mechanically harvested feed (pasture crops and soy and corn). The emissions related to those calories would go away.

Beef production accounts for 9% of US corn production: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_production_in_the_United_... If we have a magic wand and that disappeared entirely tomorrow, that would simply be allocated to other areas. There’s a reason sodas in the US are sweetened with HFCS and our gasoline is cut with ethanol produced from corn - because of lobbying efforts to subsidize corn production, which has driven…

The methane from the cattle that didn't exist would go away.

I guess I didn't try to spell the whole thought out, but I wasn't trying to claim that beef consumption is an island, I was thinking about how CAFO style animal husbandry supports a lot more animals than pure grazing would.

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