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Many Hacker News users belabor the "innocent until proved guilty" angle when it comes to sexual assault. Could it be that users of a software focused site are overcorrecting for the threat of being labeled creeps?
Jesus christ
There is a lot about the sexual events in this post that, to me, highlights something I feel is important which is: we parents need to get better had having conversations with our children around sex. This girl was feeling uncomfortable and crying but at the same time "didn't think those behaviors were problematic". I can't help but wonder if her parents never sat her down and discussed situations like this and, I ge…
I know it's probably not your intention, but you are shifting the blame from Jon to Yifan's parents. I hope this doesn't stay as the first comment in this thread.
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Sometimes character assassination is coordinated. I personally only slightly increase the probability of something being true when multiple accusers come forward. I still want to see proof. What if a bunch of your ex-girlfriends or ex-boyfriends got together and decided to ruin your life with accusations?
I don't want to stir the pot, but as a comment below links, Pretty responded with a statement[0]. He doesn't say this is what happened at all but that's a conclusion one can draw if you just read his statement. He doesn't insinuate it directly but he says they were consensual relationships and the two people are upset about how they ended. [0] https://twitter.com/propensive/status/1387168037908910085/ph...
Especially for men.
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I am curious. What percentage of all rape convictions would you tolerate being wrong (that is, the person behind bars is innocent) in order to ensure sufficient coverage of convicting the guilty?
What makes you think there is or should be a maximum acceptable tolerance for that sort of thing? The purpose of our legal process is FIRST to protect the innocent THEN to punish the guilty. The US legal system is not a hot dog factory where there is an acceptable concentration of rat feces levels in the food. If there is not evidence of a crime, no crime shall be punished. There are other countries where that sort o…
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If you have a trauma: Work on it with a therapist in private. Don't write a viral public post about it, ahead of the court case, invite others to comment on it, then blame the women struggle in tech on others who don't agree on the very strong, and damaging, qualifier of rape. Rape is when you agree to have protected sex, but the man removes the condom sneakily, or the woman punctures the condom. What happened here w…
https://utulsa.edu/sexual-violence-prevention-education/alco...
Alcohol lowers your inhibition and makes you do stupid stuff. When age limit is 16, you do that stupid stuff when you are 17, and know your own limit by the time you are 21 and dating.
If you are a girl at a house party, you drink beyond your limit, go upstairs, and sit on a bed with some boys, you are not responsible for any assault that happens, but you do have your own choices and a will to avoid such risks. For:
> Regardless of how drunk or incapacitated a person may be, it is never their fault that they were assaulted.
does not count for the attackers, who may be very drunk as well, and sitting on a bed with a pretty girl.
Anyway, those rules are more for having students not act out, and have the rich parents of a cheerleader sue the university, when she somehow ended up drunk in the basement of a frat house, completely unable to consent.
Such sexual assault does exist in adult life (under police, not campus - supervision), but is of the degree of completely intoxicating a person, then dragging them home. Not: I drank wine, don't know how much, could have been drunk, then he made an advance on me. Like, she had to remove her clothes herself... it is not like she was passed out on the couch and he forced herself on her.
It was not even "rape" in her own mind, because they had sex another time.
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So you think a crime as endemic as rape which is punished at vanishingly low rates indicates innocence of the perps instead of a fundamentally flawed justice system, starting at the point of evidence collection? Even after seeing those very evidence collectors, the police, flaunt their duties and the law repeatedly? Interesting.
The idea of someone being able to accuse someone else of a crime without evidence should terrify anyone who believes in freedom and democracy. Rape, murder, or any other crime.
https://twitter.com/propensive/status/1387168037908910085
> I've been aware for some time that a short relationship I had with another Scala developer in 2018, which is the subject of a blog post published today, was being discussed increasingly widely within the Scala community. A second post relating to an earlier, two-year relationship has also been published today.
> While I have no desire to discuss my private life in public, both posts contain several falsehoods, and I strongly reject their characterizations of me.
> I have always believed in unbiased kindness towards others, and given the relatively few women using Scala, plus my role as a prominent figure within the Scala community, I have gone out of my way to be as welcoming as possible to newcomers. This kindness extends to everyone in the community. And at the conferences I frequently attend or organize, I always try to make myself approachable and supportive.
> Through this openness, and over the last few years, during which time the Scala community has been the main focus of most of my activities, I have formed many friendships which have developed both at conferences and online. In the last decade, a tiny number of these proceeded, over a period of weeks or months, to become romantic relationships. They did so gradually, and with the full consent and cooperation of all parties.
> I have no doubt that both women who have published posts today were hurt when our relationships ended. So was I. But the nature of relationships is that many of them do end, and that does not always happen amicably. However, I stand by how I behaved during both relationships, and after they ended. The suggestions that I acted improperly are false or, at best, misinterpretations of my intent. I am happy to be independently scrutinised on any of the points raised.
> The nature of the claims that have been made is serious, and I do not discount that. But they are one-sided, retrospective revisions of the history of those relationships, which have evolved over the last three years.
> Nevertheless, given the open letter against me, I feel that regardless of the baselessness of these claims, it would not be appropriate for me to continue to participate at Scala conferences, so I shall no longer do so.
> I do not intend to discuss this matter further in public.
> - Jon Pretty
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But I can't really consider him a rapist, I read her statement, I read his.
She repeatedly shows she was unsure about her feeling, she doubted herself, she even remained friends for several months. Having sex with a drunk stranger is pretty lame, but all of these things make me believe she did not explicitly refused, she probably went along, internally horrified but externally somewhat willing.
I don't know what I would do if many years after, someone called me out publicly by claiming they did not consent, I would certainly feel sorry I hurt someone, but I would not consider myself a rapist and would treat myself like one.
Many Hacker News users belabor the "innocent until proved guilty" angle when it comes to sexual assault. Could it be that users of a software focused site are overcorrecting for the threat of being labeled creeps?
Presumption of innocence isn't 'an angle', it's a human right. Jesus christ
Innocent victim of mob justice, Jeff Epstein.