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Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by aldanor »

Tagbert wrote: post #440
aldanor wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really hoping for 128-256gb ram limit, perhaps on a separate ddr. E.g., any sort of serious data science work is now impossible on m1s simply because of ram limits.

You would probably need to wait for the 3rd level of M SOCs predicted for the Mac Pro. The M1 is for the lowest performance tier machines like the Air, the low end iMac, the low end MacBook Pro. This next chip M2/M1X is for the middle tier like the 16” MacBook Pro and the 27”/30” iMac. It will probably take a third tier to handle the large RAM and GPU needs to the Mac Pro.

Yep, that's exactly what I've heard as well, and it makes perfect sense. I'm actually silently hoping 128gb would fall into the 'mid tier' - like it currently does with the old Intel iMac 27''. You don't always need a $15k cheese grater when all you're looking for is just a bit more memory on a Mac platform...

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Post by TameAntelope »

snypher wrote: post #400
TameAntelope wrote: post #398

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With all the respect in the world, I think the complete lack of that happening at all this century should make you pause and reflect on why you think it's even remotely possible. I'm happy to be wrong, but I think you're buying too much into the SV/media fearmongering on a handful of companies whose main business is actually just attention economics.

Not happening this century is a big statement. I don't know a lot about this industry, but I don't see why Apple couldn't do what IBM did to arrive at "everyone on x86".

I don't know a ton about the history of x86, but I kind of assumed all of that shook out, one way or another, pre-2000.

I was using admittedly vague language for rhetorical effect. I only technically meant the past 21 years.

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Post by vondur »

kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

From some the demos I've seen on YouTube, the Nvidia Jetson AGX would make for a really nice desktop. If Nvidia could release a desktop oriented ARM machine with its graphics chips integration, it could make for a really nice workstation.

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Post by reddog »

spockz wrote: post #384
nexuist wrote: post #383

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Apple isn't harnessing magic here. The opportunity for competition exists, but everyone else is just sitting on their asses while Apple's chip team puts in the work. If you want to beat Mx, you have to think outside the box, just like how Apple thought outside of x86. That being said, I do enjoy the shift to ARM as the dominant arch. x86 has far too many decades of cruft behind it. I don't think Apple will take over…

You would need to think quite far out of the box and hit it to be able to beat a vertically integrated, extremely well-funded, and successful company.

Like IBM circa 1968?

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Post by poyu »

alberth wrote: post #359

Besides the radio antenna (Qualcomm) that Apple is quickly replacing with their own, is there any other tech/chips inside Apple SoC that they don't design themselves?

Oh I think _they are_ getting into the radio chip business.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-commits-430-bil...

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Post by cma »

bombcar wrote: post #422
zepto wrote: post #408

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There are lots of very rich companies that claim to want to compete but choose not to take the risks Apple did, of investing in their own vertical integration.

Each individual risk Apple takes is small - they didn’t develop the M1 from scratch; they have years of iPhone and iPad processor development under their belt.

Apple started working with ARM in the 80s, eventually used in the Newton. I don't know that they did design directly, but they influenced the changes that became ARM6.

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Post by firebaze »

spockz wrote: post #384
nexuist wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple isn't harnessing magic here. The opportunity for competition exists, but everyone else is just sitting on their asses while Apple's chip team puts in the work. If you want to beat Mx, you have to think outside the box, just like how Apple thought outside of x86. That being said, I do enjoy the shift to ARM as the dominant arch. x86 has far too many decades of cruft behind it. I don't think Apple will take over…

You would need to think quite far out of the box and hit it to be able to beat a vertically integrated, extremely well-funded, and successful company.

I guess it's not black magic apple is doing right here. From my experience with big companies, Intel just got buried in its processes, approvals, middle-management etc.pp.; they still got the talent, and in the past years there wasn't any serious competitor to them.

The dual wake-up call from AMD and from Apple (ARM), combined with the money Intel has in its pocket will have a serious influence on the cpu market. Unsure if they'll come out ahead, but it will get interesting and probably cheaper, not only for consumers.

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Post by cromulent »

reddog wrote: post #454
spockz wrote: post #384

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You would need to think quite far out of the box and hit it to be able to beat a vertically integrated, extremely well-funded, and successful company.

Like IBM circa 1968?

Well, the world was changing and new opportunities arose. I think it's different now compared to then.

In 1968 there weren't that many computing devices around. When video games and home computing came around, there were massive opportunities and the entrenched players missed some of them.

Same with mobile phones, same with the internet, same with smartphones.

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Post by dep_b »

Bud wrote: post #446
skinnymuch wrote: post #437

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Apple is reportedly beefing up their mobile ads business. Hard to say privacy is the reason when Apple immediately attempts to benefit directly financially and likely with some privacy hits.

Would be helpful if you could support this with some links and evidence. I monitor this issue a lot, and haven't seen anything that presents added privacy risks, at least not yet.

Might be referring to App Store ads

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Post by elcomet »

hugi wrote: post #403
TameAntelope wrote: post #398

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With all the respect in the world, I think the complete lack of that happening at all this century should make you pause and reflect on why you think it's even remotely possible. I'm happy to be wrong, but I think you're buying too much into the SV/media fearmongering on a handful of companies whose main business is actually just attention economics.

Indeed. It's interesting to see how people like to label Apple a monopoly - a company with a 19% market share in smartphones and an 8% share on the desktop.

in the world sure, but it's a different story in the US.
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