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Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by sgt »

partiallypro wrote: post #176
kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

If we're honest most customers aren't going to notice the performance differences, it will mostly be people with heavy work loads.

Not true at all. M1 and follow-ups are about single thread performance, the only actual performance most consumers are likely to notice.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by jclardy »

meepmorp wrote: post #87
bhouston wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would prefer just one 6K or 8K monitor personally at a size of say 55" with a wide ratio. Simpler setup. No post in the middle. Something like this but bigger with higher resolution, and maybe a bit more height vertically (this one is a bit too wide for its height in my opinion): https://www.samsung.com/ca/monitors/gaming/super-ultra-wide-... I think that dual 4K is the old way, single 6K/8K ultra wides are the fut…

Do you have periodic weirdness on the thunderbolt monitor? Every so often, my m1 mini wakes or boots so that there’s a vertical misalignment by a pixel or two about halfway across. It’s like the desktop was cut in half and taped back together slightly crooked.

I have an Acer Predator that has this issue (Whether using my Mac or PC attached.) Power cycling the monitor makes it go away. Basically the left side of the screen is shifted one pixel higher than the right side of the screen, making a vertical line down the middle where the shift changes.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by merdadicapra »

kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

1 - Apple is not going to enter the server market ever again, especially not the generalist cloud infrastructure

2 - 90% of the laptops sold Worldwide aren't Apple laptops, most of them are sub $500 laptops. Amazon best selling is ASUS Laptop L210 Ultra Thin Laptop, 11.6” HD Display, Intel Celeron N4020 Processor, 4GB RAM, 64GB Storage priced at $199

Basically only Mac users who upgraded to M1 are going to notice the difference

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by rsynnott »

Reason077 wrote: post #54
mortenjorck wrote: post #39

This would be quite an accelerated timeline if Apple ships its second-generation M-series chip only eight months after the first. Typically, they’ve followed a sort of six-month tick-tock pattern for the A-series, launching a new major revision in the fall with the new iPhone, and launching an “X” revision in the spring with new iPads. I think most observers have been expecting an “M1X” for Apple's first pro-oriented…

> "I think most observers have been expecting an “M1X” for Apple's first pro-oriented ARM Macs" I'm pretty sure that's what this is, rather than a next-generation ("M2") chip. It will likely have the same cpu core designs as the M1, just more of them. And possibly paired with the new, long rumored "desktop class" Apple GPU.

I'm not sure about that, because the M1 cores are, in essence, quite old at this point; they're pretty similar to the A12 cores. Apple usually does quite a major micro arch refresh every few years; it's probably coming up to time.

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Post by llampx »

dman wrote: post #145
aldanor wrote: post #138

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Really hoping for 128-256gb ram limit, perhaps on a separate ddr. E.g., any sort of serious data science work is now impossible on m1s simply because of ram limits.

In a laptop?

The same M chip is used in 4 product lines so I'm going to assume a Pro version of the iMac or Mac Mini is what the parent means, but if you need that much memory, setting up a VM should be worth it. Same if you need a GPU.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by baggy_trough »

partiallypro wrote: post #176
kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

If we're honest most customers aren't going to notice the performance differences, it will mostly be people with heavy work loads.

You can definitely notice the difference between a formerly top of the line Intel MacBook Pro and an M1 Air. The Air is way faster for opening apps, photo library, and other common daily activities.

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Post by holman »

partiallypro wrote: post #176
kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

If we're honest most customers aren't going to notice the performance differences, it will mostly be people with heavy work loads.

I run a decent chunk of heavy work loads, and tbh the main things I notice on the new Air are all of the other niceties: instantly awake, ludicrous battery life, no fans. I think those aspects are going to be much more noticeable than many expect.

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Post by solarkraft »

asciimov wrote: post #113
solarkraft wrote: post #89

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I use a 55" 4K Samsung TV as a monitor. It cold boots quickly and has no latency or subsampling issues in the right mode. I can recommend it as a more cost effective alternative to multiple monitors. The amount of available screen space at 1:1 is refreshing (not as crazy as imagined though), but it makes me realize how grainy "normal" monitors are. In some years 8K TVs might be cheap enough for an upgrade, but on tha…

How far back do you sit from this monitor? Do you use resolution scaling? The last time I tried a large format display, I couldn't move back far enough to make it work but I really loved working in 4k without scaling.

Currently around 70cm due to the size of my desk, but I'd like to eventually move back to something around 120 eventually, as that's what provides maximal comfort.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by sjs382 »

partiallypro wrote: post #176
kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

If we're honest most customers aren't going to notice the performance differences, it will mostly be people with heavy work loads.

But they will notice that they left their charging cable at work/home and were still able to work all day without it.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by apetrovic »

dijit wrote: post #109
thehnguy wrote: post #95

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We're in a brave new world. The early prognosticators thought the M1 was more a proof of concept (shove it into existing designs to get it out there). But now we know that it was always intended to be a real player (it's in the iMac and iPad Pro). So this news is interesting to me because now it seems to cut back the other way that maybe the M1 was designed for a short shelf life. In a world where Apple is controllin…

> The early prognosticators thought the M1 was more a proof of concept (shove it into existing designs to get it out there). Which is a weird take when you consider the thermal issues that Intel macs were plagued with. It's almost like the chassis was designed with 10w of dissipation in mind which Intel couldn't operate within, but the M1 could easily. I had assumed that Apple designed for the M1 and then fit Intel c…

My private conspiracy theory (supported by nothing) is that Intel promised to Apple good 10w processors back in 2014-ish, and Apple designed 2016 MBP based on that promise. And when Intel didn't delivered, they shipped Macs anyway, and either started working on M1 or cleared any doubt about should they continue working on it.
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