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Re: Tesla Q1 2021 Results

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Post by iso1631 »

andy_ppp wrote: post #402
iso1631 wrote: post #281

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> Basically an EV only makes sense if you own a house and can get your own charger. New houses in the UK have required chargers as part of planning permission for 5 years. Most people have, or can have, a 3KW socket installed in their driveway, very cheaply (like 2-3 tanks of fuel) 73% of cars in the UK are parked on private property overnight. Most cars do under 8,000 miles a year, or 160 miles a week, 77% of cars p…

>>> Most cars do under 8,000 miles a year, or 160 miles a week It's not a useful stat - the only useful one is how many journeys per year can I not do in an electric vehicle in the UK with one 30 minute stop or about 15 mins of charging. I think the answer is very few because the UK is small, but averages don't really cut it when you plan a drive to Scotland and can't get there without 2 extra hours of delay compared…

I wouldn't drive 500 miles in my corsa either, I'd rent a car more suited for the task

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Post by benhurmarcel »

nixass wrote: post #423
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #2

"Model 3 was the best-selling premium sedan in the world, outselling long-time industry leaders such as the 3 Series and E Class. This demonstrates that an electric vehicle can be a category leader and outsell its gas-powered counterparts." I find this to be a major milestone in the transition to BEV. This is an achievement.

Why is Model 3 even considered as a premium? What makes it premium comparing to established German holy trinity (BMW, Merc, Audi)? It's average car at best, and with its notorious build quality standards it's not even an average.

The price makes it premium

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Post by dkirill »

f6v wrote: post #406
zarkov99 wrote: post #374

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They also do not have the technology, the software capabilities or the charging network. In fact all they have is PR right now. Their EV offering is at 5 to 8 years behind Tesla and and they are moving slower in R&D.

> the software capabilities Am I wrong or the cars were running software for at least a decade? What kind of software can’t VW develop?

Traditional manufactures software sucks in every way possible

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Post by nixass »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #440
nixass wrote: post #423

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Why is Model 3 even considered as a premium? What makes it premium comparing to established German holy trinity (BMW, Merc, Audi)? It's average car at best, and with its notorious build quality standards it's not even an average.

As noted elsewhere, I've put 70,000 miles on my Model 3. After driving a 328i for 20 years, the Tesla is more fun in every way. As for build quality, my maintenance so far is $850 for a windshield. Cuz... I drive it so fast all the time, pebbles chipped away at it until it cracked down the middle. That's it. I can also attest that operating costs are 1/4 the BMW. Energy costs, yes, but also $0 for brake pads (I'm at…

So reading your comment, what makes it premium? Fun and cheaper maintenance?

Re: Tesla Q1 2021 Results

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Post by nixass »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #442
nixass wrote: post #423

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Why is Model 3 even considered as a premium? What makes it premium comparing to established German holy trinity (BMW, Merc, Audi)? It's average car at best, and with its notorious build quality standards it's not even an average.

The price makes it premium

Let's call it bad value for money then

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Post by jgalt212 »

_ph_ wrote: post #318
jgalt212 wrote: post #83

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more importantly, why is it in any economic to install solar cells on a home instead of at scale on a solar farm?

For two basic reasons: - the home owner owns the roof top and it is already there and unused, for a solar farm, the energy company needs to find and acquire land. - the home owner uses most of the produced electricity at cost rate, a grid company has a lot of additional costs a home owner does not have, like operating a grid, ensuring service 24x7.

land is cheap. especially in the desert where there's lot of sun, and not much else.

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Post by jgalt212 »

yaacov wrote: post #136
jgalt212 wrote: post #83

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more importantly, why is it in any economic to install solar cells on a home instead of at scale on a solar farm?

One benefit of rooftop solar is reduced transmission losses, but that isn’t usually enough to offset the costs from small scale/custom installation work. People like having them on their own rooftops for self-reliance, to flex on their neighbors, and to feel like part of the solution to climate change.

those aren't strictly "economic" reasons.

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Post by oblio »

nixass wrote: post #425
oblio wrote: post #328

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Acura is German, not Japanese, you're not replying to the correct comment, I think. Also, Acura's trackpad or whatever just needs a cursor. I wonder why they didn't think of that.

Acura is luxury division of Honda, and headquartered both from the Japan and USA

Damn, I can't edit my comment. I meant that Acura is Japanese, not German. I wrote the comment the other way around :-(

Regarding headquarters, true, but it's still a division of Honda, which most people would consider a Japanese company.

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Post by jgalt212 »

discordance wrote: post #145
jgalt212 wrote: post #83

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more importantly, why is it in any economic to install solar cells on a home instead of at scale on a solar farm?

Economic for who? Solar farms charge us grid retail prices everyday. Here in Australia, my payback time on home installed solar ended up to be 3.5 years. Not a bad investment.

for the economy as a whole. In the US, would anyone other than Prius drivers install solar panels if there were no tax credit?

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Post by iso1631 »

Angostura wrote: post #360
iso1631 wrote: post #281

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> Basically an EV only makes sense if you own a house and can get your own charger. New houses in the UK have required chargers as part of planning permission for 5 years. Most people have, or can have, a 3KW socket installed in their driveway, very cheaply (like 2-3 tanks of fuel) 73% of cars in the UK are parked on private property overnight. Most cars do under 8,000 miles a year, or 160 miles a week, 77% of cars p…

There are large city areas with no off-street parking. I'm currently sitting in a terraced house in East London.

37% of cars in urban areas are parked on the street. There's a whole separate question about why so many people in urban areas have cars of course.

The direction of travel is that it will be uneconomical to keep a petrol car in London in 10 years time, even if they were still available for sale, so it's fairly meaningless. People will have to adapt.

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