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Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by djhn » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:15 PM UTC

ryanlol wrote: post #95

ASalazarMX wrote: post #74

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> What exactly is the reason/rationale that it has to fail on facial recognition first before proceeding to use passcode? C O U R A G E Joke aside, it seems that Face ID was a tremendous technical effort so you could have instant access to your phone. Besides unlocking, there's no other serious application (memojis aside). The fingerprint reader was probably removed just to prop acceptance of Face ID. Also, Face ID i…

> Also, Face ID is less secure. If you're detained or mugged, just looking at your phone will unlock it before you can react and look away Much easier to force someone to unlock the phone with their fingerprint than to force them to unlock with faceid if you have “Require attention” on. You can’t physically force someone to look in a certain direction, but you definitely can force them to tap their finger on a surfac…

Long passcodes are still better.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by gambiting » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:15 PM UTC

mynameisvlad wrote: post #91

jdhawk wrote: post #52

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The S10's in screen reader drove me away from the platform and back to an SE2 w/ TouchID....it was that unreliable. Have they fixed it?

Not in the S20, at least. I was about to leave the exact same message but I went to a 12 Pro with Face ID because I couldn't stand Samsung's implementation. If people think that Face ID is inaccurate, then they clearly haven't used under-screen readers. They're slow, unreliable, and imprecise.

S20 was particularly bad, give S21 a try though if you get the chance - they improved the scanning speed and the scanning area is now 2x the size so it's a lot easier to unlock the phone.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by macintux » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:15 PM UTC

karmelapple wrote: post #88

macintux wrote: post #66

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> Unlock with Watch apparently does not work with Apple Pay. I find Apple Pay so much easier to use with the Watch that I never can remember how to use it on the phone.

Something I just found out on Friday when my iPhone battery ran out while at the store: my Apple Watch could still make a purchase even though it didn’t have a cell connection. Pretty great!

Yep, I realized the same once when I didn't have my phone with me. It's just representing card data to the scanner, so it doesn't need a network connection.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by fastball » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:16 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #82

jdhawk wrote: post #52

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The S10's in screen reader drove me away from the platform and back to an SE2 w/ TouchID....it was that unreliable. Have they fixed it?

Got an S21 and the sensor works as well as any Apple ever made. But yes, it seems like the technology has matured only very recently, the first in-screen readers were pretty crap.

Wow you've tried every Apple ever made?

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by howinteresting » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:16 PM UTC

Exuma wrote: post #47

"woman with beard" emoji? This is just getting stupid.

How so? Please be as specific as you can.

I know both cis [0] and trans women who have beards, and while it's definitely nonconforming to Western standards, it is merely part of the incredible diversity and variation in human biology.

[0] Yes, cis women with beards exist. Many cis women feel dysphoric about any facial hair they may have, of course, but (just like with trans people) exceptions exist and not everyone is dysphoric about their endogenous sex characteristics.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by verst » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:16 PM UTC

dannyphantom wrote: post #13

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/ios-14-5-makes-using-the-iphones... > ...and the ability to unlock your iPhone using Face ID while wearing a face mask. Unlocking the iPhone with Face ID during the pandemic has been an exercise in frustration... !

I go to the same coffee shop a few times a week and they always think I'm struggling with Apple Pay. Of course I am not - I am just waiting for Face ID to fail so I can use the PIN. Finally changed the setting to skip Face ID for Apple Pay directly.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by fastball » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:16 PM UTC

mxcrossb wrote: post #86

dannyphantom wrote: post #30

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With the frustration of the past year in iPhone not unlocking due to your face mask it seems like a proof of concept that iPhone should bring back TouchID.

Weirdly enough, facial recognition works for me with a mask already, but only if I take off my glasses.

I feel like mine did too towards the beginning of the pandemic, but not anymore.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by twobitshifter » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:16 PM UTC

ASalazarMX wrote: post #74

fireattack wrote: post #44

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Still sounds weird to me. I use an Android phone, I can unlock my phone at anytime using either face, fingerprint, or passcode. What exactly is the reason/rationale that it has to fail on facial recognition first before proceeding to use passcode?

> What exactly is the reason/rationale that it has to fail on facial recognition first before proceeding to use passcode? C O U R A G E Joke aside, it seems that Face ID was a tremendous technical effort so you could have instant access to your phone. Besides unlocking, there's no other serious application (memojis aside). The fingerprint reader was probably removed just to prop acceptance of Face ID. Also, Face ID i…

If you’re detained or mugged hold both the power and a volume button for 3 seconds.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by fastball » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:17 PM UTC

ASalazarMX wrote: post #39

nindalf wrote: post #8

Happy about being able to unlock the phone with my watch. Arrived after a year of mask wearing, but better late than never. Impossible to say right now when we'll put our masks away, if ever.

I already have an Apple watch, and still resent that their solution for removing the fingerprint scanner is buying a new expensive accessory. Under-display fingerprint readers have existed for years, so it's not an aesthetics issue.

No it's a usability issue. Have you tried the under-display fingerprint readers?

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by skavi » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:17 PM UTC

fireattack wrote: post #44

aikinai wrote: post #27

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They fixed this a few versions ago. Now if it sees a mask, it shows the passcode input immediately.

Still sounds weird to me. I use an Android phone, I can unlock my phone at anytime using either face, fingerprint, or passcode. What exactly is the reason/rationale that it has to fail on facial recognition first before proceeding to use passcode?

The only Android phone with secure face unlock was the Pixel 4, which didn’t have a fingerprint sensor. Some Samsung devices had iris unlock, which was also fairly secure, but even more finicky than face unlock.