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Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by gambiting » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

smiley1437 wrote: post #14

Feels a bit of a Rube-Goldberg workaround when TouchID exists. Love my TouchID to the point I'm dreading when Apple makes no more TouchID phones

Apple's insistence on only having face ID when competitors have fantastic and very fast in-screen fingerprint readers is just idiotic. I was kind of onboard when they first introduced FaceID, the argument that they don't want the sensor on the back and there is no room on the front was fair enough, but right now the technology has caught up. It's crazy that you can unlock a Samsung with your face OR an in-screen fingerprint reader, but you can't an iPhone.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by BBC-vs-neolibs » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #11

Tsiklon wrote: post #5

5G on Dual Sim is a useful update, prior to this it was only possible to have 5G on one of the accounts (The hardware SIM, I think was the default not the eSIM)

Are people actually on 5G?

I am, not sure how common that is. But only when downtown.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by kristofferR » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

The "Unlock with Apple Watch" feature was the reason I used all the betas, thankfully they were totally trouble free for me this time.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by GordonS » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

drewg123 wrote: post #4

That's a step in the right direction, but I sorely miss the Android "trusted bluetooth device" that would keep your phone unlocked. I have really poor timing, and upgraded from a Google Pixel 2 to an iPhone with face id (and no touch id)just before the pandemic. Now I have to type my passcode to unlock whenever I'm wearing a mask because I have a Garmin watch and won't consider downgrading to an Apple watch. The Garm…

I have my Android phone linked to my Bluetooth headset, so my phone remains unlocked while I'm at my desk - I really like this feature.

Another neat feature was/is "trusted location", where your phone would remain unlocked while at home, for example. I used to have this enabled, but unfortunately the option disappeared after an update on my Xiaomi phone a whole back :(

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by ASalazarMX » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

dannyphantom wrote: post #13

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/ios-14-5-makes-using-the-iphones... > ...and the ability to unlock your iPhone using Face ID while wearing a face mask. Unlocking the iPhone with Face ID during the pandemic has been an exercise in frustration... !

The new iPhone will include a revolutionary feature where just touching your phone will unlock it, and it will not unlock if someone unknown touches it. It will be called "dactylogram scourer".

/s

Edit: 5 minutes and already got the first downvote

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by kitsunesoba » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

pcl wrote: post #10

drewg123 wrote: post #4

That's a step in the right direction, but I sorely miss the Android "trusted bluetooth device" that would keep your phone unlocked. I have really poor timing, and upgraded from a Google Pixel 2 to an iPhone with face id (and no touch id)just before the pandemic. Now I have to type my passcode to unlock whenever I'm wearing a mask because I have a Garmin watch and won't consider downgrading to an Apple watch. The Garm…

Anecdotally, in the last few weeks, FaceID just started working for me with a couple of the types of masks I’ve been wearing. I wonder if they have made some tweaks to their recognition algorithms / are doing any sort of additional training on the fly. I don’t have an Apple Watch, and am running 14.4.2.

I don't have any links to back it up or anything, but my impression is that Face ID continually trains itself as you use it to help keep up with facial changes over time. At the very least I know it takes the data from failed attempts immediately followed by passcode unlock and uses it for training.

Depending on how either is implemented I could see it getting "used" to a masked face with enough samples. The question for me is if this makes it more susceptible to false positives, e.g. unlocking for people other than the owner wearing a mask.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by aikinai » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #18

Someone1234 wrote: post #9

In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch: - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation. - This doesn't even solve the issue. So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks, that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is that they break an option which resolves this only when Face Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode." When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.…

An even better solution would be to just show the "unlock with passcode" button at all times, and not just after Face ID has spent 15 seconds not recognising you because you have a mask on.

They fixed this a few versions ago. Now if it sees a mask, it shows the passcode input immediately.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #9

In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch: - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation. - This doesn't even solve the issue. So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks, that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is that they break an option which resolves this only when Face Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode." When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.…

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Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by tomc1985 » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:45 PM UTC

aikinai wrote: post #27

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An even better solution would be to just show the "unlock with passcode" button at all times, and not just after Face ID has spent 15 seconds not recognising you because you have a mask on.

They fixed this a few versions ago. Now if it sees a mask, it shows the passcode input immediately.

Interesting, mine seems to have like a 50% chance of unlocking anyways with my mask on, I thought they did some sort of improved face-with-mask detection or something

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by dannyphantom » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

smiley1437 wrote: post #14

Feels a bit of a Rube-Goldberg workaround when TouchID exists. Love my TouchID to the point I'm dreading when Apple makes no more TouchID phones

With the frustration of the past year in iPhone not unlocking due to your face mask it seems like a proof of concept that iPhone should bring back TouchID.