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CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

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Re: CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

#81
post #76

Good luck automating an Elon Musk or a Steve Jobs. Your algorithm would never come up with new ideas like Amazon or Space X So far "automation" means a bunch of if/else statement or at most a biased deep learning algorithm, this is why they're used on entry jobs, because they're fundamentally not very useful for anything other than pre defined repeatable and easy tasks

“Sell shit online” is such an inobvious idea. I don’t know how Bezos thought it up! Completely unexpected.

Re: CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

#82
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably because the market dictates their salary, not a vague notion of what they should be paid. Or, to reframe the question: why don't people hire cheaper CEOs?

The simple answer is that people don't hire cheaper CEOs because the people who hire CEOs are the boards of companies and the boards of companies are mainly staffed by CEOs of other companies who unsurprisingly are incentivized to advocate for higher CEO pay.

This is called the Agency Problem and is a fundamental challenge of organizing humans. If you start separating who makes decisions (e.g. the board) from who benefits (theoretically, shareholders), then over time the former will subvert the latter. But there is no simple fix if you want investment returns without managing the company.

This is one of the better reasons to bet on startups in a world where power accumulates advantage. During the growth stage of a startup, the incentives of owners, managers and team members are much more aligned than they will be later in the trajectory.

Re: CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

#83
My understanding of a good CEO is that the main work is to build and maintain business contacts that lead to future large revenue streams for the company (which is de facto networking to build contacts with customers in the first place, closing deals is the job of the sales department). I don't think that creating a strategy has that much value, most like it is wrong anyway¹.

¹ https://hbr.org/2010/01/why-most-ceos-are-bad-at-strat-2

Re: CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

#84

I can't help but feel that CEO's are over-valued and it's fundamentally an attribution problem as it's hard to know how much value they actually add. A comparison would be to fund managers and how the rise of index funds showed they actually added very little value in many cases, and weren't worth their fees.

CEOs play important roles, but I agree they are very much overpaid. It's inefficiency in the specialized labor market being exploited by a small group of people. Equity based compensation is a big factor. They shouldn't be rewarded for riding the sector-specific or broader market rally.

I feel there are ways to be more targeted in calculating contributions. I also feel the hiring process for CEO and executives are inefficient.

Re: CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

#85

CEOs aren't paid for the day-to-day value they provide to the company. They're paid for the long-term, strategic value the owners think they might provide the company in comparison to other candidates. So if you think CEO Candidate X will make you a 3x return on your investment, but CEO Candidate Y will make you a 5x return, it's almost certainly worth it to pay him/her the extra $200K to get you there, if that's the…

They should then be compensated with a leveraged long-term derivative product that pays based on the stock difference between their company and the industry, 5 to 10 years apart. "You want to be insanely rich? Here's a huge company that's not yours as a resource, now make it so it is the best one in 10 years!"

what makes you think this isn't already the case? CEO comps often include stock options.

Re: CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

#86
post #76

Good luck automating an Elon Musk or a Steve Jobs. Your algorithm would never come up with new ideas like Amazon or Space X So far "automation" means a bunch of if/else statement or at most a biased deep learning algorithm, this is why they're used on entry jobs, because they're fundamentally not very useful for anything other than pre defined repeatable and easy tasks

“Sell shit online” is such an inobvious idea. I don’t know how Bezos thought it up! Completely unexpected.

Then why is he the richest man on earth and you're not ?

It's always obvious and easy when you look back at history ...

Re: CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

#87
CEOs are expensive because they form a clique, They sit on the boards of other companies and install CEOs who are on the board of the company they themselves CEO. Normally you would call this practice embezzlement, but because it only requires the most tacit of collusions to pull off, we call it shrug.

Re: CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

#88
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is paying them less not seen as an option? I don't understand - do you think companies are voluntarily paying them money that they don't have to? If you won't pay them what they want they'll go elsewhere to someone that will. Just like you would, I presume.

"the people who hire CEOs are the boards of companies and the boards of companies are mainly staffed by CEOs of other companies who unsurprisingly are incentivized to advocate for higher CEO pay."

Why would investors vote for board members that waste their money?

Re: CEOs are hugely expensive – why not automate them?

#89
post #5

"If a role can be outsourced, it can be automated." I really don't see the logic in this statement.

It's based on the faulty presumption that labor outsourcing motivations are purely based on cost minimization. Obviously, this falls apart if one considers that outsourcing also occurs for specialized labor that firms prefer not to keep in-house. A great example of this is legal. If you rewrote the title as "Lawyers are hugely expensive -- why not automate them?" it would sound patently absurd.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/technology-is-changing-the-l...

There may be more validity in this whole approach than it would appear at first glance.

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