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Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by scpedicini »

abrownbag wrote: post #21
niebeendend wrote: post #18

If I’m reading your Medium post right, you created 20 channels and ripped off other people’s Twitch clips into YouTube clips? I’m not sure what you were expecting given that’s not your content. If you are in California, you should have a right to a copy of your data under CCPA data portability. If you’re in the US but in another state, I’m not sure.

They're not rips. They are reformatted clips with proper attribution and links to the parties channel. Most of us on twitch want our clips to be seen in hopes it drives traffic back to our content. There are many shameless channels ripping content and promoting it as their own but mine where never like that and many smaller streamers commented on the videos allowing me to promo them even more. Once some of the channe…

Attribution is irrelevant if you're lifting them wholesale - and you're really stretching the definition of "fair use" since you're not obtaining consent from the actual content creators.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by ipaddr »

meowface wrote: post #28
abrownbag wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never received any emails about strikes no even though I would get notification emails about comments etc to gabnworba@gmail.com through those randomly generated page emails? I'm not sure how youtube works when you don't make the channels with an email. I would just like to put on record it was never my intention to steal from other content creators. The initial idea came as a service I could provide to streamers.…

>I would just like to put on record it was never my intention to steal from other content creators. I believe you. But that's still what you ended up doing. >The initial idea came as a service I could provide to streamers. Then why didn't you make it a service you could provide to streamers, instead of skipping the service and agreement part and just uploading the content first without their knowledge? A little like…

"why didn't you make it a service you could provide to streamers, instead of skipping the service and agreement part "

Wait a minute. How would youtube know if he signed an agreement or not? Even if he did sign them youtube would have closed down the channel.

We have seen this before with more legimate channels and I highly doubt an agreement would have mattered.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by x1798DE »

scpedicini wrote: post #31
abrownbag wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not rips. They are reformatted clips with proper attribution and links to the parties channel. Most of us on twitch want our clips to be seen in hopes it drives traffic back to our content. There are many shameless channels ripping content and promoting it as their own but mine where never like that and many smaller streamers commented on the videos allowing me to promo them even more. Once some of the channe…

Attribution is irrelevant if you're lifting them wholesale - and you're really stretching the definition of "fair use" since you're not obtaining consent from the actual content creators.

No idea if what OP is doing is or isn't fair use, but fair use doesn't require the content creator's permission, and in fact if you have the content owner's permission you generally don't need to invoke fair use at all (since they are in a position to simply grant you permission to use their content).

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by nromiun »

abrownbag wrote: post #12
nromiun wrote: post #8

Unfortunately many people are going through the same process these days. The only thing that seem to work is public support on Twitter. So send your complaint to @YouTube and tell your followers to do the same (if you can still contact them on some other platform).

So I did try this: https://twitter.com/gabnworba/status/1384242020659519494?s=2... any likes or rts are appreciated but even with the youtube fanbase I had I don't think I'll be able to hit a big enough splash to get them to look my way. I'd imagine I'd need thousands upon thousands of rt's to be noticed and I can't even get in touch with my youtube fanbase as... I no longer have a youtube.

One thing you should know is that YouTube (and other Google services) is really, really sensitive to things like scripts, bots and copyright content. They might have connected those 20 channels you created to your main account and yourself. After that they might have thought you were a spammer. Recently they even banned some people because they were automatically updating their titles using a script.

But they don't give feedback for why they ban someone so we will never know why they did it.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by [deleted] »

abrownbag wrote: post #22
meowface wrote: post #19

You overwhelmingly deserved it. Seriously. I'm not saying this to be a dick or to be cruel; I'm basing it solely on what you wrote in your blog post. You made a bot that did absolutely nothing but steal content from other creators and upload it on your own channel for views and ad revenue. This is not only obviously a violation of YouTube's ToS, but also obviously illegal and unethical. They banned it after three sep…

That's the thing! If you read the post I NEVER received ANY warnings... Legit just banned for three strikes over night with NO emails about any of the copyright strikes. No way to appeal or contact youtube about what videos had strikes or on what channel. All I have is speculation based on the termination emails I received. I need to make this clear now. NONE of the videos were MONETIZED... None of the channels reach…

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Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by httpsterio »

abrownbag wrote: post #26
meowface wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've revised my post to cover the copyright strike situation as you state here. If I understand correctly, you don't actually know if you received the three strikes overnight, right? I imagine it's possible the notices were somehow sent to an email you didn't realize was connected, and if that's the case, the notices might have actually spanned more than one day and you just didn't realize until the final one came. I…

I never received any emails about strikes no even though I would get notification emails about comments etc to gabnworba@gmail.com through those randomly generated page emails? I'm not sure how youtube works when you don't make the channels with an email. I would just like to put on record it was never my intention to steal from other content creators. The initial idea came as a service I could provide to streamers.…

You aren't actually entitled to three strikes. Just one blatant infringement is legally enough to terminate your account. YouTube neither has any guarantee that even I'd you get any notices that they're spanned out with says between. If you have more than 3 videos and they all get a strike at the same time, well then it's bye bye to the accounts.

And honestly, if you have 1 legit account and 20 operating on more sketchy waters, it's only reasonable that they ban all of your channels.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by httpsterio »

ipaddr wrote: post #32
meowface wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I would just like to put on record it was never my intention to steal from other content creators. I believe you. But that's still what you ended up doing. >The initial idea came as a service I could provide to streamers. Then why didn't you make it a service you could provide to streamers, instead of skipping the service and agreement part and just uploading the content first without their knowledge? A little like…

"why didn't you make it a service you could provide to streamers, instead of skipping the service and agreement part " Wait a minute. How would youtube know if he signed an agreement or not? Even if he did sign them youtube would have closed down the channel. We have seen this before with more legimate channels and I highly doubt an agreement would have mattered.

His friends wouldn't obviously strike their own videos on the clip channel. Or the service would've provided his friends with the clips and they could upload them to their own channels.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by ev1 »

abrownbag wrote: post #23
meowface wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. OP very blatantly deserved the ban. They detail exactly what they did in their blog post. I'm not saying this to attack the OP's character or anything. This behavior is just clearly in the wrong and would and should be banned by any platform. It would have to be banned in order for a provider to retain their DMCA safe harbor protection, but even if it wasn't a legal requirement, there's no doubt it still nee…

I'm sorry I didn't make this clear in the medium post but thats NOT what I was doing. The shorts channels weren't even monetizable. Please see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26919770

It doesn't need to be monetizable. It's wholesale theft, not fair use, and like those terrible shitty "exposure" pages where they steal art, post it on instagram covered in watermarks for likes and views and the generic message "if you want this taken down email us!! 100 emoji 100 emoji"

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by Irongirl1 »

+1 meowface 23.

Sorry, I'm pitching in because I can't help myself. I agree with meowface23 and it is for a really weird reason. I spent the last few weeks watching compilation videos just like you describe except they are of military personnel returning home because I need the emotional lift, but these videos weren't meant to be wildly shared. They contain identifying information which could be very dangerous to our armed forces. I think they should be taken down, honestly, but that's not my bailiwick. The owners of the content intended them to seen where they were placed . If I understand what you are doing correctly, you are violating their express intentions for your own benefit.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

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Post by ev1 »

x1798DE wrote: post #33
scpedicini wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attribution is irrelevant if you're lifting them wholesale - and you're really stretching the definition of "fair use" since you're not obtaining consent from the actual content creators.

No idea if what OP is doing is or isn't fair use, but fair use doesn't require the content creator's permission, and in fact if you have the content owner's permission you generally don't need to invoke fair use at all (since they are in a position to simply grant you permission to use their content).

There is basically no chance that stealing the entirety of someone else's content (a full clip), no commentary, no parody, just a straight reupload onto their own account for views/subs is fair use.
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