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Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#11
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good advice. I have some of them on twitch and in discord. Unfortunately a wide section of followers do not crossover. No matter what I do they don’t seem to want to leave their home platform(YouTube).

Nah it's shit advice that blames you, the victim for making that choice of platform, rather than finding fault with the platform's behavior. The opportunity costs to you of supporting multiple platforms takes away from producing content. You end up with a fraction of the same number of users, just spread across multiple platforms, and crucially, the platforms aren't all the same. What plays well on YouTube won't play…

I understand where he's coming from. Maybe having some branded url with a hosted alternative and shipping that to emails could have helped in the inevitable event something like this happened?

But I feel this post. This has been my exact experience. As someone who used multiple platforms to build an audience and try and grow I have retained some crossover but at the end of the day losing that source of revenue is just too big of a hit.

I don't know how I could possibly convince youtubers not to watch my videos on youtube realistically...

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#12
post #8

Unfortunately many people are going through the same process these days. The only thing that seem to work is public support on Twitter. So send your complaint to @YouTube and tell your followers to do the same (if you can still contact them on some other platform).

So I did try this: https://twitter.com/gabnworba/status/1384242020659519494?s=2...

any likes or rts are appreciated but even with the youtube fanbase I had I don't think I'll be able to hit a big enough splash to get them to look my way.

I'd imagine I'd need thousands upon thousands of rt's to be noticed and I can't even get in touch with my youtube fanbase as... I no longer have a youtube.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#13

With a quick search I found those support pages: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3545535 https://www.youtube.com/t/contact_us If you have 20k subscribers you may be eligible to contact their support. Also you can try to find tweet at @YouTube. Hope that helps.

Okay so I've actually already attempted to use both of these links.

Unfortunately I can't log into youtube at all as my account has been terminated so there's no way to reach the support team even though I AM a member of the youtube creator program.

I fill out a form they sent me in an email(on my medium post) daily but still just get automated responses telling me to look at their copyright page or that my account doesn't exist.

I never tried the feedback button so I'll do that right now but I did make a twitter post: https://twitter.com/gabnworba/status/1384242020659519494?s=2...

never got enough traction to really get noticed unfortunately.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#14

Turns out I didn't have an account here, created one to speak on this. I have a feeling that the best way to go about this would just be to cause YouTube (well, Google) grief about this every day until you get something out of them -- though I'm not sure what to suggest in terms of gaining initial traction. Do you have an archive.org (or similar) archive of the channel page(s)?

I've started a twitter post but the traction is pretty small yeh. I'm not sure I have the pull to get notice.

I never even thought of waybackmachine. I just checked and it said there was a pull from the 29th of January... I got excited too soon though as I loaded it nothing loaded.

For now the videos are still lost... Thanks for trying though

EDIT: Actually I was able to load the page after a long time but none of the videos seem to salvageable (they can't be accessed or downloaded just get errors). https://web.archive.org/web/20210129101353/http://youtube.co...

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#15
Seriously, try to reach and contact some prominent youtube creators in the gaming world. Try to make them do videos about this, maybe regular youtube users that see this can complain for your part. Don't give up. If everyone complains and tells Youtube that they'll move to LBRY and Odysee.com they might notice someday.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#16
post #15

Seriously, try to reach and contact some prominent youtube creators in the gaming world. Try to make them do videos about this, maybe regular youtube users that see this can complain for your part. Don't give up. If everyone complains and tells Youtube that they'll move to LBRY and Odysee.com they might notice someday.

I'm doing my best to have hope and reaching out to everyone I know but I've exhausted the resources I have as a smaller creator. Outlook bleak to be honest.

EDIT: Actually I haven't tried writing a letter and sending it to the address listed on contact... I'll do that today too

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#17
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good advice. I have some of them on twitch and in discord. Unfortunately a wide section of followers do not crossover. No matter what I do they don’t seem to want to leave their home platform(YouTube).

Nah it's shit advice that blames you, the victim for making that choice of platform, rather than finding fault with the platform's behavior. The opportunity costs to you of supporting multiple platforms takes away from producing content. You end up with a fraction of the same number of users, just spread across multiple platforms, and crucially, the platforms aren't all the same. What plays well on YouTube won't play…

>Nah it's shit advice that blames you, the victim for making that choice of platform, rather than finding fault with the platform's behavior.

>not the recipe for success GP poster thinks it is.

It's not shit advice, it's not victim-blaming like you make it out to be, and I think your tone is unwarranted.

One should play defensively around the kind of companies that treat users/creators this way; one of the only ways to take a defensive stance against large conglomerates is to seek alternative means that do not include them.

>spreading yourself thin across all possible platforms is not the recipe for success GP poster thinks it is.

More 'success', whatever you quantify that as, isn't what is implied in GPs advice; defensive poising and longevity is the implied advantage, which it turn leads itself to the success of a business in the long-term.

It isn't victim blaming when any other 'victimized' business group is advised towards multiple redundancy. It's not victim blaming when an executive officer suggests that a group invest in generators after a non-controllable black-out renders production lower than it could have been.

I get that your point is that other alternatives are un-populated, and that Mega-Corp-YouGoogle is really the only show-in-town with an audience for most creators; but let's step back and view this from afar and ask another question : "Is it healthy that there is only one venue on the entirety of the internet for this activity? Should I propagate that fact to everyone I advise and give those with power even more power by trying to push a 'truth' that no alternatives exist?"

> The opportunity costs to you of supporting multiple platforms takes away from producing content.

Yeah, a business-person who focuses on protecting the business rather than outputting product generally produces less product; the hardened business model more than makes up for that after the first 'act-of-god' proves that the redundancies that the efforts were put towards actually saved the day.

If a company is abusing you, take your business elsewhere. There are other streaming services, there are other content hosts, and there is no end to outrage against Google.

Eventually one of these services will catch, and Google's power will dwindle. It's not hopeless.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#18
If I’m reading your Medium post right, you created 20 channels and ripped off other people’s Twitch clips into YouTube clips? I’m not sure what you were expecting given that’s not your content.

If you are in California, you should have a right to a copy of your data under CCPA data portability. If you’re in the US but in another state, I’m not sure.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#19
You overwhelmingly deserved it. Seriously. I'm not saying this to be a dick or to be cruel; I'm basing it solely on what you wrote in your blog post.

You made a bot that did absolutely nothing but steal content from other creators and upload it on your own channel for views and ad revenue. This is not only obviously a violation of YouTube's ToS, but also obviously illegal and unethical. They banned it after three separate strikes.

This is unedited and uninterrupted, from your blog:

>Flash forward to the beginning of this year and my agency AMG told me about this amazing new thing on YouTube called: Shorts. If you’re unfamiliar shorts are sub sixty second videos shot in horizontal format. Basically, they’re TikToks on YouTube and YouTube was pushing them HARD. With some quick tests, I figured out that a channel with no subs was getting more short video views than my main channel by over ten-fold.

>This is exactly where my tech mind jumped in. I obviously had the first thought any developer has. Can I automate it? I mean countless clips were just freely available on twitch. Heck, they were even sorted by most viewed. I’d seen many successful top clip channels on youtube. All I had to do was edit them into short-form content and bam free real-estate right? Armed with google colab, which is way too powerful to be free by the way, I was well on my way to my demise.

>Honestly, it was easier than I even expected. In the beginning, I had dreams of grandeur. I was doing lots of machine learning in my free time and so I was imagining fancy ml algos that automagically found the webcam and edited the video the clips into amazing short-form content. Of course after about an hour I just settled on the easiest shit that worked. Use a headless browser to rip the clips from twitch, some FFmpeg magic to format them, and then another headless instance to upload to YouTube (on a side note did you know YouTube’s own upload API won't let you PUBLISH videos unless you have a fully-fledged approved app and even then you can’t even choose the game title when uploading). I learned so many cool tricks about web automation, authentication, and video editing here but again a story for another time.

>All you really need to know is that at the end of the day I had a working system. It would take the top x number of twitch clips for any given game in the last 24hrs and edit them into shorts. It would then go and upload them to YouTube and TikTok. Once I had it set up I made twenty different short channels. It worked even better than I expected. Short-form content was pushed so hard that some of the channels even passed my main channel in subs. The Minecraft Shorts channels specifically hit 30k subs and Call Of Duty Shorts hit 40k follows on TikTok! It was honestly really cool to see it work out so well but nothing good lasts forever.

This is purely parasitic content theft. It's not good. It's the opposite of fair use. It would be a major injustice if they reinstated your account. If the strikes did all come at once as you suggest (but which you weren't able to confirm, it seems?), the scope and degree of the infringement left them no other option. If you make a new channel on YouTube, please just make your own content in the future instead of trying to profit from other people's.

In all honesty, you'll probably look back at this in a few years and feel grateful. Even if it wasn't permanently banned, if you ever wanted to actually start using your channel for real in the future, it would've had this immense and indelible smirch on it, which the community probably would have dug up and pilloried you for once it inevitably bubbled up to the level of a scandal. This kind of behavior also isn't a good look for employers, due to the liability and many other reasons.

I think you should consider this a good lesson and move on from it and completely dissociate from anything tied to this old misadventure. This is a chance at a fresh reset that you otherwise might not have ever received.

Re: Ask HN: How to Contact YouTube?

#20

If I’m reading your Medium post right, you created 20 channels and ripped off other people’s Twitch clips into YouTube clips? I’m not sure what you were expecting given that’s not your content. If you are in California, you should have a right to a copy of your data under CCPA data portability. If you’re in the US but in another state, I’m not sure.

Exactly. OP very blatantly deserved the ban. They detail exactly what they did in their blog post.

I'm not saying this to attack the OP's character or anything. This behavior is just clearly in the wrong and would and should be banned by any platform. It would have to be banned in order for a provider to retain their DMCA safe harbor protection, but even if it wasn't a legal requirement, there's no doubt it still needed to be and would be banned.

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