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Mars has right ingredients for present-day microbial life: study

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Re: Mars has right ingredients for present-day microbial life: study

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If I had to guess: planets are big, rocks are hard, and if there is life, it’s vanishingly rare or hard to find.

Google something like “mars viking life experiments”

For a moment there I was thinking: "Wait, Vikings have been to Mars?", turns out NASA had a Viking program that sent two space probes to Mars in the 70s [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_lander_biological_exper...

Re: Mars has right ingredients for present-day microbial life: study

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The great filter is that tech is to easy, but self-awareness and self-discipline is hard. So life presses onwards, demanding exponential energy density from tech, to not be forced to limit itself and self-discipline itself. Thus ever more potent tools are handed out to avoid confrontation with the "overcome" animal nature - and once that equation reaches the end of the line (easy energy and resources exhausted), a ne…

Billions of people were just asked to spend over a year locked down in isolation, and most did it voluntarily without reverting to tribalistic warfare (threats on fringe social media platforms notwithstanding). We've also in modern times seen what happens when famine strikes. Mostly people just suffer quietly and die.

Ah slight economic down-turn sparked a right-wing totalitarian resurgence across the whole world.

The lockdown mostly worked, because panem (food) and circensis (movie-streams and gaming) were continuously supplied. But, yes you have a point, the species behaved remarkably well under stress. But then, we also have a lot of social implants now too (cellphone-panopticon) and crowd-sourced anger-management.

Also its been half a year, since a angry crowd stampeded into the capitol building of a nuclear power.

Re: Mars has right ingredients for present-day microbial life: study

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The only obvious examples of either are the ones humans put there — the probes, the rovers, the Apollo Lunar Modules and associated material.

so you mean we've figured out how to build large structures outside planet earth without the public knowing?

Please link to any of these 'large structures' otherwise we'll just continue to assume this is being pulled from your ass.

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I'm a PhD candidate studying Mars, happy to debunk any structures you can supply.

PHD won't save you here. I am not talking about Face on Mars either Literally pyramids and megastructures with uniform and clear patterns of engineered structures. There's really nothing you can say here to convince me otherwise. There's zero chance of a large pyramid structure with accurate math proportions and geometric consistencies occuring by "chance" I don't know about other stuff you are speaking of but there'…

Providing the locations of the items in question would allow a more fruitful discussion to take place.

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I don't understand the excitement for finding life on Mars. I personally really, really hope we do not find life on Mars. If we find even the most basic microbial life, NASA is going to shut down all future exploration in the interest of Martian planetary protection. China and Russia probably won't, but the US will cripple itself (again) out of caution. On a more existential level, finding life elsewhere in the solar…

> China and Russia probably won't, but the US will cripple itself (again) out of caution.

Do you have any concrete examples when this happened before? Writing (again) implies you think there was already such a precedent.

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PHD won't save you here. I am not talking about Face on Mars either Literally pyramids and megastructures with uniform and clear patterns of engineered structures. There's really nothing you can say here to convince me otherwise. There's zero chance of a large pyramid structure with accurate math proportions and geometric consistencies occuring by "chance" I don't know about other stuff you are speaking of but there'…

Assuming this is even in good faith, can you link any images or data of these supposed structures? I spend hours a day examining HiRISE/CTX imagery and have never seen anything like you're asserting.

Considering your background you might have a likely selection to what they could be referencing, but for other readers this is what I assume they are getting caught up on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_(Mars)

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What happens when we'd put some microbes there now?

I’m more concerned what happens when we bring some microbes from Mars.

Interesting, maybe they plan to never bring anything to Earth's surface .. maybe use ISS as an 'air gap'

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For almost half a century, scientists have been speculating about sub-surface life on mars. Why with existing technological progress can we not just get a yes or no answer about this.

I’ll answer your question with a question. Would space exploration get more or less funding if we settled a fundamental question about the existence of life outside earth?

I would think they would get way more money to look at that life.

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I've been curious about this recently actually. What are the downsides of "seeding" a plant with life to study how it evolves?

Evolution takes a long time. And there aren't many (any) environments that we've identified and can reach which are conducive to the sort of life we know about. Also it'd be a bit presumptuous for us to colonize a hospitable planet for our own experimentation. But it's an interesting question. In fiction, I can recommend Adrian Tchaikovsky's Children of Time , and sequel Children of Ruin .

Both great books and a really interesting thought process on what truly alien life might be like instead of just humans with more or less arms.
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