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I wish that too, and eventually we will get there. But there is a lot of progress and catching up before we get there. Nowadays when I watch films or read books from the 50s, 60s, and 70s the depth of casual sexism is quite shocking. So that shows some progress. But still there’s a tremendous amount of inequality to be overcome.
The Star Treck pilot is an example.
Sisters with Transistors
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not the GP poster, and so I was not commenting on this specific case, but only on the more general principle. But if we apply the general principle to this case, it can be argued that placing women on a pedestal like this is both demeaning and othering them.
I'm... really (honestly!) not sure how this demeans women? Like to put it clearer: I absolutely in no way can see even a path to understanding how it is demeaning to talk about things people did in the past, that were deliberately ignored or buried, because of their gender. I'm also not really sure what you mean by "general principle", either, to be honest? Thanks in advance!
The Army is not the arts ... but for whatever reason at least in that organization the women generally really, really don't want to be treated differently. It's nice to be the 'first so and so to do such and such' but that's definitely not the point. They're not 'Lady Rangers', they are 'Rangers', full stop, and generally don't want a sliver of space in between what they are, and what the Men are.
Having not heard the music of 'Women With Transistors', I could be wrong ... but I'll suggest they're not on par with 'Beethoven'. So the issue then becomes the degree to which these ladies were overlooked, possibly due to sexism, and the nuances in that. That's the story. And there's a lot to unpack there obviously.
I think the controversy arises because some people question the legitimacy of comparisons with 'historical greatness' and then others interpret that to be a form of delegitimisation of the challenges the women faced, or that they were overlooked. Which could be true in some form of rhetoric, but I think is not true on it's face, or rather, it's a least reasonable to question whether or not the people in question here are 'Beethovens'.
And I'll say again - I haven't seen it, so I can't really be sure of this specific case, rather, I'm explaining how confusion can arise in these kinds of cases.
But it looks like an exciting watch for sure.
Re: Sisters with Transistors
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not the GP poster, and so I was not commenting on this specific case, but only on the more general principle. But if we apply the general principle to this case, it can be argued that placing women on a pedestal like this is both demeaning and othering them.
I'm... really (honestly!) not sure how this demeans women? Like to put it clearer: I absolutely in no way can see even a path to understanding how it is demeaning to talk about things people did in the past, that were deliberately ignored or buried, because of their gender. I'm also not really sure what you mean by "general principle", either, to be honest? Thanks in advance!
The subtle implication is that most smart and talented people are not black, that smarts and talents are atypical in blacks and more common in other races.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Star Treck pilot is an example.
What an excellent example because Star Trek was itself so very progressive for its time. Yet despite that may plot lines still centered around very rigid sexist assumptions.
[1] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Up_The_Long_Ladder_(epi...
[2] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Code_of_Honor_(episode)
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#45I wish we could appreciate women's talents without feeling forced to prefix the whole thing with a blob about restoring them to their righteous place on the pantheon of whatever.
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#46I wish we could appreciate women's talents without feeling forced to prefix the whole thing with a blob about restoring them to their righteous place on the pantheon of whatever.
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#47I wish we could appreciate women's talents without feeling forced to prefix the whole thing with a blob about restoring them to their righteous place on the pantheon of whatever.
Thing is those people aren't born in different bell curves with different expectations, considerations, cultural histories, and preferences.
Additionally this isn't just about talents, this is about being talented in a seemingly traditionally male arena, engineering. Women in engineering will always be of note since most women do not choose to be there.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
What an excellent example because Star Trek was itself so very progressive for its time. Yet despite that may plot lines still centered around very rigid sexist assumptions.
Sorry to go on a tangent, but I am surprised how many TNG episodes have 'alien species that is thinly veiled stand-in for some human race'. And this is a show that would have been woke for it's time. [1] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Up_The_Long_Ladder_(epi... [2] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Code_of_Honor_(episode)
It's pretty hard to make truly alien aliens, as the more alien they are, the harder they are to understand, identify with etc, making the stories themselves less interesting.
The aliens in The Gods Themselves are pretty alien but still have, from time to time, a human-like mode of thinking which Asimov used to explain their behavior. The Bug Wars is the only book I've read that has no humans at all, though the aliens' mentalities are somewhat human, again to make them comprehensible.
Famously "different" aliens (e.g. Moties, the bugs of Ender's Game & sequels) are actually pretty human in motivation.
And the inscrutable aliens (e.g. Starship Troopers) are clearly inscrutable stand-ins for contemporary political enemies.
The various literature on intelligent machines has the same problem.
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#49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZscRHkLMt0
It's funny because here Dave is just learning about synths, and it predates Paul Schaffer joining him with his own wall of synths.
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#50“Music is haunted by the specters of Beethoven and Mozart, even Elvis and John Lennon, with the canon being built around these names that we are told deserve not just celebrating but worshipping. These old, dead white men.” What a distasteful opening of an otherwise interesting article. As if some patriarchal conspiracy was forcing classical composers like Mozart and Beethoven down people’s throats... No, most simply…
No, but patriarchal and racial structures in society have historically suppressed artists who weren't white and male.
Adam Neely has a good video on how the term "music theory" here in the West is essentially just "the harmonic style of 18th century European musicians" [1]. It's worth a watch if you're interested in music.