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The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by apostacy »

ismaildonmez wrote: post #31
apostacy wrote: post #27

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Facebook has shown themselves completely willing to remove content at the request of the Erdoğan government. If they deplatform critics of Erdoğan, why would they also not be willing to deplatform anything else that Erdoğan does not like, like discussion of the Armenian Genocide? And maybe this is why we should consider the consequences of encouraging deplatforming of people we don't like. My other comment pointing o…

> My other comment pointing out collusion of Facebook and the Turkish government is heavily downvoted, and I am not sure why. If I am mistaken, please someone let me know. Fellow Turkish trolls are doing extra duty on this thread :-)

> Fellow Turkish trolls are doing extra duty on this thread :-)

If I got something wrong, anyone please feel free to correct me instead of just downvoting.

If I only get downvoted but nobody can tell me what I'm wrong about, it is just brigading.

And that can backfire, because if this is happening to seemingly reasonable comments, it strongly implies that those downvoting me are not capable of countering what I said.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by [deleted] »

m00dy wrote: post #17
baybal2 wrote: post #14

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Because historians has long since written the last stroke on the event? It has been only a century since to reconstruct events thoroughly from first sources. Similarly, it's beyond obscene to demand a revision of holokost when there are still living, breathing survivors who toiled in death camps.

I have never seen death camps in Turkey

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Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by throwaway2048 »

luckylion wrote: post #49
diminish wrote: post #33

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Sadly Armenian terrorist organization Tashnak has killed millions of Turks in France/Russia imperial army uniforms before their migration and Armenian terrorist organization ASALA recently killed a dozen diplomats in western cities and Armenian state and militia has killed 100s of thousands in Azerbaijan literally occupying the country. The whole genocide agenda is somewhat to hide that sad truth. Recent killings are…

Well, let's see whether this genocide denying nonsense is allowed to stay up. I have a feeling that somebody denying the holocaust in such a shamefully obvious way would be booted off the site. I hope that dang is dealing with this the same way.

don't count on it

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by belatw »

Gimpei wrote: post #34

My family is Assyrian and was living in a region of Iran that was at the time still part of the Ottoman empire. During the genocide, the Kurdish proxies of the regime came into my grandmother's village, murdered all the men, and raped the women before deporting them. My grandmother walked 600 miles to the Persian gulf, during which time she had a miscarriage from the rape. About two-thirds of the Assyrian population…

During the population exchange My mother in law’s Turkish family were forced to walk to Istanbul from their village in Makedonya with nothing but the gold coins they had sewn into their blankets and hid into their shoes. 1/4 of them were killed by Greeks. The same story with my father in law coming from northern Bulgaria.

Nobody brings this up, because it was Christians killing Muslims.

Still the Armenians remained and thrived in Western Türkiye. My neighborhood in Besiktas is 1/3 Armenian and 1/3 Kurd to this day.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by meristohm »

throwawaymylove wrote: post #38
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #22

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Biden has recently declared his intention to have the US formally recognize the Armenian Genocide.

I wonder when the US will fully recognize the North American Native Genocide and build a monument in DC - hopefully in proportion to the monument in NYC.

That would be a huge and vulnerable step for my government. So much of the dominant cultural mythology is build on righteous taking from others. “I was just following orders [from God]” is an unhealthy excuse. Hopefully we shift our thinking about life on earth.

I found helpful the 2021 April 15 episode of the podcast How to Save a Planet, as they discuss the history of protecting oil pipelines and end with ways we might change towards consuming less fuel while still enjoying a high quality of life.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by andrewvc »

zero_deg_kevin wrote: post #55

The downvoting in this thread is insane. Do the mods have tools to determine if there are state actors trying to manipulate conversation on HN?

There are clearly disingenuous comments from genocide denying trolls throughout this thread. I’m not surprised to see downvotes as well.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by m00dy »

zero_deg_kevin wrote: post #55

The downvoting in this thread is insane. Do the mods have tools to determine if there are state actors trying to manipulate conversation on HN?

well, I'm not a state actor and I am a developer. So, I'm not working for state. I wouldn't come here to speculate if I were a state actor.

I'm here to tell you my opinions as a Turk and my comments should be considered as a part of freedom expression which is one of the core values in western societies.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by sorokod »

grahamjpark wrote: post #4

Interestingly this is the second article I’ve seen today about Armenia: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/24/armenia-azerbaijan-war-...

Probably related: "Biden tells Erdogan he plans to recognise Armenian ‘genocide’"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/23/biden-tells-erdogan...

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