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The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because modern-day Turkey has turned the whole thing into a political issue. Turkey cannot accept the historical truth.

Turkey is the one that offered this solution

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Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Interestingly this is the second article I’ve seen today about Armenia: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/24/armenia-azerbaijan-war-...

Biden has recently declared his intention to have the US formally recognize the Armenian Genocide.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Yawn. The ottomans have been gone for 100 years. Most Turks acknowledge this.

The Turkish Republic had NOTHING to do with this.

Japan needs to acknowledge their genocide in China.

UK needs to acknowledge their many genocides in Ireland, India and all of the colonies.

France needs to acknowledge their genocides in their colonies and especially Algeria.

Scotland needs to acknowledge their tobacco slavery trade.

All of Europe and Russia needs to acknowleege their hundreds of years of continued abuse, atrocities and oppression of against the Romani.

Russia needs to acknowledge all of its Soviet abuses.

Germany needs to acknowledge the sheer unimaginable abject horror of their genocide in the Soviet Union.

China nerds to acknowledge it’s genocide in Xinjiang

USA needs to acknowledge its genocide against Native Americans..

And it’s atrocities in the middle-east.

Saudi Arabia needs to acknowledge their genocide in Yemen.

Frankly Germany is the only nation which has ever acknowledged and apologized for its atrocities, but only against the Jews, not the other European victims of the third reich.

Biden is just trying to win points with conservative Christians by stirring up anti muslim rhetoric, like evey president.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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As someone with an Armenian dad and last name, I’ve felt some interest in this story and my country’s (US) refusal so far to acknowledge it since learning about it. It’s pretty far removed from me, and I’d probably not live here if my ancestors hadn’t fled the Turks back in the day, but it’s also very sad to see that it’s used as a political token over and over again. Obama promised that he’d be the first sitting pre…

As someone from the SFV, I appreciate and understood completely the Glendale reference.

The same thought crossed my mind, which is why is this acknowledgment such an important issue and why now? I agree with you and doubt it is to earn points with a super small (albeit wealthy) constituency. I have never even heard people care about this outside of politicians and the news.

Just seems like a very strange hill to die on.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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In college I took a class on Turkish / Ottoman history that was incredible, except for when we covered the genocide. The professor clearly had been thoroughly educated on the subject, but had internalized a very different understanding of the sequence of events, and of course never called it a genocide. What I took away from that class was how ingrained the official Turkish version of events is in the historiography and how even experts in history of that reason don't believe, or want to believe, that a genocide took place.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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As someone with an Armenian dad and last name, I’ve felt some interest in this story and my country’s (US) refusal so far to acknowledge it since learning about it. It’s pretty far removed from me, and I’d probably not live here if my ancestors hadn’t fled the Turks back in the day, but it’s also very sad to see that it’s used as a political token over and over again. Obama promised that he’d be the first sitting pre…

Erdoğan thinks himself as the last Ottoman Emperor standing (c.f. The Third Reich), that’s why no way in hell he’ll accept any atrocities that Ottomans committed.

Facebook has shown themselves completely willing to remove content at the request of the Erdoğan government.

If they deplatform critics of Erdoğan, why would they also not be willing to deplatform anything else that Erdoğan does not like, like discussion of the Armenian Genocide?

And maybe this is why we should consider the consequences of encouraging deplatforming of people we don't like.

My other comment pointing out collusion of Facebook and the Turkish government is heavily downvoted, and I am not sure why. If I am mistaken, please someone let me know.

[1]: https://www.propublica.org/article/sheryl-sandberg-and-top-f...

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Since Facebook has agreed to implement censorship on behalf of the Turkish government[1], how long is it until discussion of the Armenian genocide is flagged as hate speech and fake news? As far as Turkey is concerned, this is fake news. And big tech has agreed to defer to Turkey. [1]: https://www.engadget.com/facebook-turkey-emails-200407588.ht...

> how long is it until discussion of the Armenian genocide is flagged as hate speech and fake news?

Genocide can be talked about on Facebook, you can even organise it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46105934

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebo...

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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post #16

Interesting article, however I couldn't find primary Turkish sources that detailed the reasoning behind the deportations. Did the Turks institute the policy to remove Armenians from within Turkey or to exterminate them?

Wikipedia is quite thorough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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post #16

Interesting article, however I couldn't find primary Turkish sources that detailed the reasoning behind the deportations. Did the Turks institute the policy to remove Armenians from within Turkey or to exterminate them?

Turks had nothing to do with this. It was Ottoman monsters.
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