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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by magicalhippo »

rsync wrote: post #142

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ? I don't want your electric car. I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car. I want one of your actual cars, just electric . I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric. God. Dammit.

We have a BMW i3, and being designed as an electric vehicle has its advantages. Not having a center console blocking the way between the front seats has been very convenient at many occasions, for example.

Not saying the i3 is the ideal electric vehicle, but I strongly believe a full-electric vehicle designed as one from the ground up will be better than a electric retrofit.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by IgorPartola »

jacquesm wrote: post #284
hourislate wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in DFW also and you are correct. I'd take a guess that 80% of F150 owners live in a quiet suburban neighborhood and have never used the truck bed. What really is insane is the folks like a neighbor down the street who has an F250 Diesel Monster truck that has never seen any off road action except the time he drove on his grass backing out of the driveway. Same with all the Jeeps with oversized tires and 12k in…

> like all the old farts buying Harley's and pretending they are some kind of bikers...shame they destroyed the brand Actually, they kept the brand alive by buying the product. Without those people they'd have died long ago.

You are correct. This very entertaining 11 minute video from Fortnine (still one of the best channels on YouTube) does a great job explaining exactly how HD wound up where they are today: https://youtu.be/EOwxxsPaogY

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by hahajk »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #94
Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

The best-selling[1] vehicle in America, the Ford F-150, had an average sale price of $47,174 in 2018[2]. I'm sure it's only gone up since. Also, the latest version of the map you shared shows the F-150 being the most popular vehicle in 18 states, none of which are California or New York: https://insurify.com/insights/most-popular-cars-in-america-2... --- [1] https://www.autobytel.com/ford/f-150/car-buying-guides/why-…

dang, $29k starting price and you don’t even get power windows? What happened to the F150??

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by btgeekboy »

hahajk wrote: post #363
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best-selling[1] vehicle in America, the Ford F-150, had an average sale price of $47,174 in 2018[2]. I'm sure it's only gone up since. Also, the latest version of the map you shared shows the F-150 being the most popular vehicle in 18 states, none of which are California or New York: https://insurify.com/insights/most-popular-cars-in-america-2... --- [1] https://www.autobytel.com/ford/f-150/car-buying-guides/why-…

dang, $29k starting price and you don’t even get power windows? What happened to the F150??

They’re bought primarily either as status symbols or for business use.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by magicalhippo »

jackson1442 wrote: post #29
MrRadar wrote: post #18

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How often do you drive that far? The farthest I drive in one go is 350 miles and I only make that trip once every other year because it's exhausting. (If I could fly there I probably would.) A vehicle with a 100 mile range would cover pretty much all the other driving I do regularly.

I'm curious... are you in the US? 350 miles is definitely within the realm of reason here-- a couple friends and I made an impulsive 250-something mile trip a couple weeks ago, and my family took a road trip to Florida over the past summer (normally we'd fly, but COVID)-- that trip was actually in an electric car and ended up being about 4 hours longer than it would be in a gas car. Depending on where you are, 350 mi…

> ended up being about 4 hours longer than it would be in a gas car

We did some relatively long trips in our BMW i3 last couple of summers. Even though the charging added about 1-1.5hrs to each trip, my SO, which did all the driving, said she preferred it that way. She felt significantly less exhausted when she arrived, thanks to the charging stops.

So not clear cut for all drivers it seems.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by ethbr0 »

hahajk wrote: post #363
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best-selling[1] vehicle in America, the Ford F-150, had an average sale price of $47,174 in 2018[2]. I'm sure it's only gone up since. Also, the latest version of the map you shared shows the F-150 being the most popular vehicle in 18 states, none of which are California or New York: https://insurify.com/insights/most-popular-cars-in-america-2... --- [1] https://www.autobytel.com/ford/f-150/car-buying-guides/why-…

dang, $29k starting price and you don’t even get power windows? What happened to the F150??

IMHO, power windows are just another thing to inevitably break. I have yet to have a manual window break.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by ethbr0 »

btgeekboy wrote: post #364
hahajk wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

dang, $29k starting price and you don’t even get power windows? What happened to the F150??

They’re bought primarily either as status symbols or for business use.

Or because it's tax-preferred in farming. Generate a profit for the year = buy a top of the line truck "for the business."

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by chiph »

rsync wrote: post #142

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ? I don't want your electric car. I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car. I want one of your actual cars, just electric . I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric. God. Dammit.

The ID.4 interior has everything I hate about the new generation of vehicles in it. White interior (impossible to keep clean), glossy piano-black trim panels (it's pollen season here - you dare not open a window), no volume knob, and capacitance switches for frequently used functions like the climate control.

It's like the designers got free rein, and they didn't know how people actually interact with their car.

"But it looks cool!" That's the sizzle, where's the steak?

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by [deleted] »

don-code wrote: post #360
toomuchtodo wrote: post #74

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Indeed. These EVs will filter down to the used market over time, satiating demand from those not of means to afford a new car. It's ideal really; those who can buy new eat the depreciation, while those who can't afford new end up with a vehicle that will be able to go hundreds of thousands of miles before end of service life (perhaps with some cosmetic blemishes, but not much more of concern considering powertrain lo…

We sort of know what to expect with powertrain longevity on used vehicles, but I'm not sure we know the same for electric vehicles just yet. Consider: I had my last car purchase (which I knew would be used) between a BMW 4 Series, a VW Golf R, and a Subaru STI. I went with the 4 Series. The Golf R and STI are often used as track cars, and 40k miles on a Golf R may very well be the equivalent of 100k miles on a regula…

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