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Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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My anecdote is that I got the JJ and kinda regret it, this blood clot thing made me realize it’s pretty untested , I feel like they should be recommending everyone get a full panel blood test a week after to add more data. After the AZ issues there should have been more scrutiny of the early clot cases

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Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Does the citation include the recent major skepticism of Astra? There are French polls that backed major skepticism of Astra specifically after the pause. The downvotes are puzzling. Are people capable of countering with reason, or is a downvote a proxy vote for how they wish reality to be?

You should be wary of concluding stupidity when the French population are skeptical towards government statements. It's a completely different culture to the one you're likely used to. The French frequently have legitimate distrust towards their authorities, and assume based on experience that the government is lying. This would be a confounding effect when trying to determine whether it was the uncertainty that caus…

I'm familiar with French culture. What about it would you argue makes it more skeptical (as I'm reading what you wrote to mean) than the government-skeptical US population?

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Now maybe the US can finally approve the AstraZeneca vaccine and put our 20 million (!) doses on hand to good use. Or not! But if we’re not going to use them, we should send them to another country like Canada or Mexico or Australia or the UK or EU, all of which have approved it and administered millions of doses. Sitting on 10s of millions of vaccines during a pandemic is inexcusable.

Africa or India or south America need them more than G8 economies

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I had Covid in March 2020. It almost did me in. Was in ICU for a while. Had the J&J shot three weeks ago. Did not feel a thing. My arm was slightly sore at injection site. Nothing else. I guess my body was used to it and just sort of shrugged it off. Some of my friends who got J&J were sick for a few days, but rebounded quickly after that.

What prompted you to get a vaccine when you have already developed immunity?

Immunity is not permanent. We know people who got infected more than once.

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How does one balance that with the counter desire to not want to go to a wedding, concert, football game, or plane with unvaccinated people?

It's a big shift because we have never as a society catered to the most cowardly before. Personal responsibility used to mean if you cared about something it was on you, now its shifted to forcing it on other people. This is really antithetical to western values.

"Never" is wrong. Unless you mean never until the seatbelt mandates of the 90's. Or MADD in the 80's. Or the 70's when OSHA reared its ugly head. Or the 50's with anti-litter laws and campaigns. Or prohibition in the 20's. Or never until the FDA was founded? A hundred years is a little late to complain about this "big shift."

Acting in the collective self-interest is not new at all, unless you completely ignore history.

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If we're doing anecdata, I too had the J&J shot right before it was cancelled. Literally no symptoms whatsoever. Very happy with the "one and done" relative to my wife who will go in next week for the second Pfizer shot, which has clobbered everyone else in our neighborhood who took it.

My anecdote is that I got the JJ and kinda regret it, this blood clot thing made me realize it’s pretty untested , I feel like they should be recommending everyone get a full panel blood test a week after to add more data. After the AZ issues there should have been more scrutiny of the early clot cases

Kind of untested: sorry that's just wrong. All these shots are tested by 40,000 or more people. The problems emerging now are in the one in 100,000 or more. Do the maths on the odds.

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I had Covid in March 2020. It almost did me in. Was in ICU for a while. Had the J&J shot three weeks ago. Did not feel a thing. My arm was slightly sore at injection site. Nothing else. I guess my body was used to it and just sort of shrugged it off. Some of my friends who got J&J were sick for a few days, but rebounded quickly after that.

What prompted you to get a vaccine when you have already developed immunity?

Because from what has been observed, the immunity doesn’t last long, and you can get COVID more than once.

Apparently around 8 months. Source: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/12/two-stud...

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I am not sure it is about "anti-vax" folks so much in this case. Many are wary of getting a vaccine with < year of testing, not to mention relatively new technology (mRNA). That isn't entirely unreasonable, though I did end up getting the Moderna shot.

That’s fair, but I’d prefer to get the vaccine over something developed by bats https://xkcd.com/2397/

That's an entertining soundbite, but other health complications nonwithstanding, the risk of dying from Covid for a healthy 25-year old is approximately 1:500,000.

It's an individual decision, and although there are many factors both individual and societal, it's counterproductive to yell (or jokingly imply, as Munroe did in your link) "antivaxxer!!" whenever someone has some concern.

Many European health authorities have e.g. concluded that the risk of death from the AstraZeneca vaccine is greater than the risk of Covid infection in young people. Unless one assumes that these health authorities are wrong, this would indeed be an example where a time-limited amount of caution wasn't obviously irrational.

Was it a black swan event that one of the ~7 vaccines that passed clinical trials turned out to fail the risk/benefit ratio in some regions? No, that's probably to be expected with the probabilities involved.

We can still have confidence both in vaccines and health authorities after such an event, my point is that saying "you're stupid" in intellectual-ese is rarely the most productive response. Not everyone who has some concern is a rabid conspiracy theorist.

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In-depth talk with a virologist who believes that all of these vaccines currently be dangerous - and that we should perhaps stop all of them, please watch it before you assume you understand the reasoning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyAovuUxro - DarkHorse Podcast with Geert Vanden Bossche & Bret Weinstein

I googled him to see if I could find the gist of his claims. I can't find a single thing from him, but I can find a ton of takedown pieces tearing apart this episode. (Bret Weinstein is leaning hard into the IDW thing. DarkHorse? Really?)

His open letter to the WHO: https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ug...

The gist: Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants

Source: the top of the home page of his website, which is the first result on a google search of his name (How hard did you try?)

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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This is great news! I'm holding out for the J&J shot myself :) I find it to be a better product than the others.

I was under the impression adenovirus based vaccines are worse in the long run because the adenovirus acts as a vehicle for the proteins we're immunizing against (coivd) and that immunity can also occur against the adenovirus rendering it useless as a vehicle for proteins in the future.
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