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Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by Alex3917 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #151

I will say this for these folks, they seem to have gone 'all in.' One of the interesting thing about politics is how hard it is to change things. To get a bill passed or an amendment added you need to get other politicians on your side, you need a compelling plan, and then you need lots of follow through. Controversy is to politics like energy is to chemical reactions. The more controversy you have around it increase…

"Basically terrorists who don't have a special interest group or political action committee (PAC) in place to harness the energy created by the terrorist acts for durable change are unsuccessful at making any change."

The guy who wired the lead 9/11 hijacker 100k, presumably to pay for the 9/11 attacks, had breakfast with the Bush administration the morning of 9/11. If that isn't access then what is?

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by DuncanIdaho »

lhnz wrote: post #180
StavrosK wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this matter? They'll both revoke our liberties and not improve security. All that matters is that Joe Sixpack will think "oh my god, hackers will get my money".

When this happens and lulzsec or others are still continually proving that nothing has worked because the original security problems still existed, will Joe Sixpack be blind to this?

You (e.g. the government and its cronies) start screaming - we need more control for your security! They are coming for your beer! These hackers are trying to take away your refrigerator!

And Joe Sixpack will gladly turn over any liberties he has.

Just like with TSA. Joe Sixpack obviously couldn't care less. He doesn't care that it is costing him insane amounts of money, he doesn't care that security doesn't really work. He doesn't care about body scanners. Hell I bet that if TSA went and mandated that a random passengers need provide anal relief to TSA agents - JSP would not really care. Because he is a true patriot(tm).

All you need to do is to perform a Jedi mind trick: "You feel safer now."

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by iamichi »

patrickaljord wrote: post #93
blhack wrote: post #44

They can't go back now. Before this, mostly what they were doing was small time. DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed. This is max level from what I'm reading so far (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent). Homeland security info, info on ongoing investigations, etc. etc. This might actually make lulz more dangerous. They have nothing to lose now. Bef…

> (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent) This is ridiculous, thousands of people are downloading that right now and the details will be on the news anyway. > If [when] they get caught, they're going to prison for the rest of their lives or worse. Only if they're from the US. In most of western Europe, maximum is 20 to 30 years and only for murders or specific crimes. For that they'd probably just get a few…

For some reason I get the impression at least one of them is from the UK.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by StavrosK »

lhnz wrote: post #180
StavrosK wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this matter? They'll both revoke our liberties and not improve security. All that matters is that Joe Sixpack will think "oh my god, hackers will get my money".

When this happens and lulzsec or others are still continually proving that nothing has worked because the original security problems still existed, will Joe Sixpack be blind to this?

Measures not working? It's obvious: We need more measures. LulzSec stop their antics due to some unrelated coincidence? The measures work, let's make sure nobody hacks again by instituting more measures!

How many terrorist attacks on airplanes have there been since 9/11? Are measures getting stricter or looser?

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by jbooth »

mcphilip wrote: post #123
kragen wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who download illegal torrents might be profiled and the information used against them later.

Bingo. Brinqs to mind Columbia University advising some of its students not to discuss the wikileaks cables since it could hurt their employment prospects. http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about...

And there's two ways to respond to something like that, you can go along to get along like a sheep, even though you know it's wrong, or you can go out of your way to discuss it since, if everyone's discussed it, then you can't discriminate against people for it.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by jbooth »

TomOfTTB wrote: post #41
pkulak wrote: post #20

Good target to retaliate against. I'm sure they considered going after the people who drafted the legislation, or the voters who passed it, but passed on that because... this was the server they happened to find that was easy to get in to and they came up with their justification afterwards.

The problem is the Officers are actually the least guilty here. SB1070 actually requires officers check people's papers. Officers COULD do that before SB1070 but they weren't. So the legislature passed 1070 in part to force officers to do it more often. The truth is Officers generally don't want to get involved in immigration cases because it requires interaction with the Federal Government. That is a local cop's lea…

Type "Joe Arpaio" into Google. You might be right about a given low-level cop, but the police leadership in that state is all-in on racial profiling and disliking mexicans for their mexicanness.

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Post by podperson »

verroq wrote: post #176
ChuckMcM wrote: post #151

I will say this for these folks, they seem to have gone 'all in.' One of the interesting thing about politics is how hard it is to change things. To get a bill passed or an amendment added you need to get other politicians on your side, you need a compelling plan, and then you need lots of follow through. Controversy is to politics like energy is to chemical reactions. The more controversy you have around it increase…

Funnily enough, Australia is creating their elite counter-hacker team at http://www.dsd.gov.au/ . They are accepting applications.

If it's like previous Australian anti-crime task forces they'll only hire people with a proven record of failure.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by podperson »

kragen wrote: post #112
Alex3917 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed." Because the 39,000+ people already killed due to the laws the Arizona police are enforcing don't count.

Citation? Your comment seems to imply that the police are responsible for causing the Mexican drug war, but I believe that if the Arizona police were to resign en masse and move to other states, it would probably make the situation worse, not better; the drug cartels would expand to fill the power vacuum, and they are less accountable than the police.

If you left the laws in place and removed the police, that would be bad. If you reformed the laws and left the police in place, that would probably be less bad.

Speaking of adding energy to systems -- drug laws put energy... er money... into the illegal drug system. Clearly, simply making everything available from your supermarket impulse buying rack is going too far, but simply regulating drugs the way cigarettes and alcohol (including taxing them) seems like a happy medium. I know that folks smuggle cigarettes into New York to avoid taxes, but the prison system isn't overrun with them and they aren't overthrowing central-american governments.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by podperson »

pkulak wrote: post #20

Good target to retaliate against. I'm sure they considered going after the people who drafted the legislation, or the voters who passed it, but passed on that because... this was the server they happened to find that was easy to get in to and they came up with their justification afterwards.

If they really wanted to nail someone over this they should have gone after the private prison lobby which drafted the law, bribed the politicians, and built the prisons in advance of the law passing.

While this law is all about exploiting racist tendencies in the electorate, at bottom it's a money-grab by the prison lobby.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by danssig »

scythe wrote: post #61

So... do you think it's possible LulzSec is based in China or Russia? That's the only way I can imagine them doing this that doesn't involve being clinically insane.

Well, there's another explanation that would also not involve being clinically insane: false flag. Just sayin'
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