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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by shafyy »

cjohansson wrote: post #260
fassssst wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, I had a ID.4 pre-ordered but canceled it after I realized how absurd the price is. I bought a utility e-bike instead and that was probably one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. I barely use my car anymore and biking is way more fun and greener than any car.

Regular bikes have the benefit that they improve your health, it's not exhaustive once you get a better stamina. E-bikes are a bad product I think in todays society

E-bikes are not bad at all. For a lot of people normal bikes are not an option because they are lazy or don't have the physical fitness. It's much better if they get e-bikes instead of cars for everyone involved.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by rsync »

Hamuko wrote: post #153
rsync wrote: post #142

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ? I don't want your electric car. I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car. I want one of your actual cars, just electric . I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric. God. Dammit.

I do actually want the Polestar 1, since it's drop dead gorgeous. Unfortunately it's a very limited run hybrid car that costs as much as my apartment. Also weirdly Polestar is also falling into this EV design pitfall. They release a petrol car and it's gorgeous. Then they release an EV and it's misproportioned and ugly.

Polestar 1 is , indeed, Beautiful. However it is not an electric car.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by frosted-flakes »

cjohansson wrote: post #260
fassssst wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, I had a ID.4 pre-ordered but canceled it after I realized how absurd the price is. I bought a utility e-bike instead and that was probably one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. I barely use my car anymore and biking is way more fun and greener than any car.

Regular bikes have the benefit that they improve your health, it's not exhaustive once you get a better stamina. E-bikes are a bad product I think in todays society

You get just as much exercise with an electric bike—you just go faster, and changes in grade are effectively flattened.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by cptskippy »

usaphp wrote: post #218
kajecounterhack wrote: post #122

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New prices are quite prohibitive but the state of things actually isn't the worst for used EVs if you can stomach low range. My family does a two-car approach: 1. Hybrid SUV for actually getting places and moving things 2. ~$4k a used 2013 Smart car. ~45 mile range is good enough for short commute, grocery runs, etc. Charge at home or at work (we have the uncommon situation of no charging at home since we live in a c…

$4k for a 2013 smart? You got some amazing deal, they usually sell for twice that amount. Hard to find any decent one for less than $7-8k

For $7-8K you can get a Nissan Leaf in excellent condition with a 75-100mi range.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by gaoshan »

Hamuko wrote: post #197
gaoshan wrote: post #163

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Right but the model 3 is a sedan while the ID.4 is a compact SUV. Size wise this vehicle is more on par with the Tesla Model Y, not the 3.

It's not. The ID.4 is 4.6 metres long. the Model 3 is 4.7 metres long. The Model X is 5.0 metres long. The ID.4 is 1.85 metres wide, the Model 3 is 1.85 metres wide and the Model X is 2.00 metres wide. The ID.4 is 1.64 metres tall, the Model 3 is 1.44 metres and the Model X is 1.68 metres. The Model 3 has about 425 litres of trunk space, the ID.4 has 540 litres of trunk space, and the Model X has like 1400 litres wit…

I meant the Y, not the X. Brain fart on my part. Sorry you did all the work to look into the details.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by digikata »

rsync wrote: post #142

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ? I don't want your electric car. I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car. I want one of your actual cars, just electric . I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric. God. Dammit.

Kia Niro, comes in Hybrid, Plug-in/Hybrid, or EV variants

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by flurie »

jseliger wrote: post #227
bognition wrote: post #177

Here is a great no frills review of the ID.4 https://youtu.be/3oC9sUiwyL8 The TL;DR is even if its electric its not a serious competitor to tesla. The UI is terrible as the drive is unable to find a charger while navigating to their destination. Electric car charging stations are going to look completely different the gas stations as they costs a few thousand dollars to install rather than a cool million for a gas st…

I just bought (co-bought) a Model Y, and and the Supercharger network meant that other electric cars were non-starters. Hyundai and Kia, for example, have Model Y competitors, but when I was looking at them, both directed would-be buyers to PlugShare.com for for non-local charging information: I invite anyone to look at that solution, and then look at the Supercharger solution. I also live in an apartment building, a…

What's interesting is that I did this recently and came to the opposite conclusion. Did you look at the situation when restricted to >= 250kW chargers? It's a completely different story, and that's with only one major CCS provider competing with Tesla. In the long run, those other chargers won't matter, and Tesla's expansion has been slow.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by cptskippy »

Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

> But yet an electric is going to replace a $21K Honda Civic by 2025?

What's the average selling price of a Civic? With options the Civic can sell for over $35k.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by theshrike79 »

akomtu wrote: post #209
wayanon wrote: post #143

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It’s weird because I associate car ownership with wealth! I’m in my 40s in London in the UK earning an ok salary and neither me nor many of many friends have a car.

I don't know much about London, but in the US the arrangement is that expensive cities provide work and hoards of minimum wage workers live in exurbs 1-2 hours away from those cities. They have to wake up at 6 am, spend an hour or more in atrocious traffic on a highway with other minimum wage workers, then do the same in the reverse at the end of the day. On a bus it would take 2x longer. They don't have a choice. No…

Just one point of contention here:

You don't "spend" time recharging an EV unless your one-way trip is longer than the maximum range.

You get where you're going, plug in and come back to more power than you had before you left.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by UnpossibleJim »

nawitus wrote: post #248
akomtu wrote: post #130

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Half of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck and they need cars. I'm not sure their minimum wage can afford them carbon taxes.

Poorer countries in Europe tax fuel more. If you raise fuel tax, people will find ways to buy less fuel. Generally this means more efficient (often smaller) cars, and perhaps prioritizing living more near to jobs etc. The main problem is that fuel tax should be increased slowly so people can change their consumption accordingly.

The difference is, even the poorer countries in Europe have a better bus and train system than the majority of America. Now, granted, America is much larger so I hate these comparisons. Many European countries are the size of an American state, but compare any US state and the bus and train system will almost certainly pale in comparison.

I'm all for a fuel tax, but I'm also a huge proponent for a decent alternative to the single car transport system that America is so very reliant upon. People talk about biking, but being able to bike to a decent and available transit station would be a dream come true to a huge swath of the American population.

/end rant

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