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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by outworlder »

CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #166
Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

I’m not sure the larger batteries are even necessary. With an EV you can start each day fully charged. You just need enough battery to handle your daily commute and the few errands. What’s missing is something to handle those few occasions when you need to drive that extra distance. It seems kind of silly to try and cram that extra flexibility into the same vehicle.

> I’m not sure the larger batteries are even necessary.

They are not. What's needed is expansion of the infrastructure. And that's not even about quick chargers. In cities you don't need them. What you need is standard level 2 chargers wherever you may want to go. Work, school, shopping, movie theaters, whatever. Most vehicles spend most of their day parked somewhere. They should be charging then.

Larger batteries are only really going to be needed in very remote regions.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by numo16 »

abfan1127 wrote: post #114
foepys wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shouldn't surprise anybody. Those are used for work like farms and are tax deductible.

I'd bet a ton that most F150s never see dirt. I'd also bet that most F150s see >5 year car loans.

I would side with you on this bet. Lots of brodozer and parking lot princess F-150s up here in Michigan suburbs.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by jackson1442 »

Animats wrote: post #172

But you'll have to be patient; it's still two years away. No, they did not launch their first all-electric SUV. They announced it. There's a difference. [EDIT] Sorry, that's the "ID Buzz." A "people carrier in the spirit of the old Volkswagen microbus."

According to the site[1] they're shipping (shipped?) First Edition purchases to buyers in Q1 2021 and will be shipping cars made with reservations starting this summer for the lower trim and Oct-Nov for the higher trim.

[1]: https://www.vw.com/pre-order/

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by Animats »

rsync wrote: post #142

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ? I don't want your electric car. I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car. I want one of your actual cars, just electric . I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric. God. Dammit.

How else would they justify the 2x price premium for all-electric?

This is a curse of the classic auto manufacturers. Look at the pricing discussed for the all-electric Ford F-150. Somewhere around US$100K. Where the gas car makers have come out with electric cars in a gas car product line, they've usually had about twice the base price.

Electric power is priced as a super-premium trim level. "More car per car".

This provides a huge opening for Chinese automakers, who don't seem to have that hangup. It ought to provide an opening for Toyota, if they ever get off their hydrogen fixation.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by closeparen »

edhelas wrote: post #39

SUV…

I wonder what will happen to the SUV vs. car distribution when “gas guzzler” isn’t a consideration anymore. There’s still parking, of course, but most SUVs I see have the same wheelbase as their sedan counterparts. They’re just tall.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by theshrike79 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #78
CameronNemo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this short term thinking? That is the upfront cost. What about the total lifetime cost of the vehicle?

Gas is down to $3 and electric $12/kWh, with the state now charging electric vehicles higher registration fees yearly to offset the gas tax savings. There's likely small savings every year, but we're talking almost $20K price difference, maybe $12K with federal (and no state) rebate, you aren't going to be breaking even. Plus fun fact: My insurance would go up a lot with a Model 3 from my current vehicle, 25% more a…

Am I understanding this right?

You're saying that gas is $3/gallon and electricity is $12/kWh?

Over here gas is around $7,50-$8 per gallon and electricity is around $0.05/kWh. A 100km drive in an EV costs around 2€, while in a petrol powered car the cost is 8.5€ for a low consumption car.

No wonder Americans drive huge cars with no regard to consumption :D

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by abfan1127 »

numo16 wrote: post #182
abfan1127 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd bet a ton that most F150s never see dirt. I'd also bet that most F150s see >5 year car loans.

I would side with you on this bet. Lots of brodozer and parking lot princess F-150s up here in Michigan suburbs.

tons of pavement princesses here in AZ.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by theshrike79 »

bognition wrote: post #177

Here is a great no frills review of the ID.4 https://youtu.be/3oC9sUiwyL8 The TL;DR is even if its electric its not a serious competitor to tesla. The UI is terrible as the drive is unable to find a charger while navigating to their destination. Electric car charging stations are going to look completely different the gas stations as they costs a few thousand dollars to install rather than a cool million for a gas st…

> Electric car charging stations are going to look completely different the gas stations as they costs a few thousand dollars to install rather than a cool million for a gas station. So rather than having a bunch of high profile gas stations we're going to end up with somewhat ubiquitous electric charging stations of varying capacity.

Yep, this is the big change people aren't yet getting. Every mom and pop store in a small town can get free advertising just by installing a $1k charger for their customers and having it be visible in charging maps.

I have no interest in stopping to charge at Generic Gas Station #42 with the accompanying Franchise Fast Food Restaurant next to it when I'm on vacation or a road trip. I'll rather pick something interesting.

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