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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by jollybean » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 7:15 PM UTC

blaser-waffle wrote: post #169

jollybean wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but in the 1880's punching someone wasn't that big of a deal. They could have gone to the bar later and got drunk together and made legislation the next day. Underneath the House of Commons (and I believe somewhere in US Congress) was a bar, and after arguing in the Commons, everyone would go downstairs and get wasted. The 1st PM of Canada drank 12 ounces a day minimum. Imagine that. 12 hard drinks a day (!). Wha…

> Yes but in the 1880's punching someone wasn't that big of a deal. They could have gone to the bar later and got drunk together and made legislation the next day. Bollocks. Charles Sumner gettin whupped with a cane WAS a big deal and made national and international headlines. It was a direct response to Sumner criticizing slavery, and helped cement opinions in the South that they'd need to take drastic action to pre…

There was tons of physical fighting in that era [1], that some newspapers wanted to make a big deal of a specific fight isn't evidence of that much.

That said, that was probably a very divisive era.

[1] https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374154776

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by teekert » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 7:19 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #166

teekert wrote: post #156

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Well you made my point. Your country is not going downhill because of one or the other, it's because both can't stand each other any more. A republican will write a similar story about Hillary. Have a nice life over there people, I hope sincerely that things will change.

Thank you; I do take your last sentence as genuinely sincere. Regardless of the cause, it's an unfortunate situation. I am making the assertion that "it's because of both sides" is actually part of the problem. I don't believe that a reasonable person would look at the 2016 candidates and conclude that they showed hostility equally. I believe that one side is weaponizing that instinct to draw compromises. You're cert…

I agree with much of this. But there may be republicans out there that do not like every aspect of Trump, yet agree even less with the democratic candidate. Such a person may have good reasons for the way she or he voted and may be the way for you to learn to appreciate some aspects of “the other side”. It’s not black and white, your “two party system” forces a choice. I bet many people find what they choose suboptimal if they are being honest. But they may not tell a hostile person from the other side that does not even want to dine with them.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 7:29 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #140

teekert wrote: post #93

I see it in the smartest people I know. I live in the Netherlands but I have a "CNN addicted" colleague. And I like to tease her and say things like: "You know people want to carry guns so the government does not have a monopoly on violence, so when you feel like you got a leader (as you do now [this was Trump era]) that really does not have the consent of the governed anymore, you may not be powerless." Sure, societ…

I won't froth, but I won't have dinner with a Republican either. Their last Presidential candidate was deliberately insulting. We're not just talking about a media figure or fringe candidate, but a person they actually voted for. I came to this conclusion before 2016; 2016 merely marks the point where it became so obvious that no reasonable person could deny it. Even if they didn't pull the lever for him, he was mere…

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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by javajosh » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

jl2718 wrote: post #126

javajosh wrote: post #84

The saving grace of our society is that, thankfully, things are still pretty comfortable at the personal level, even if their politics dictate that they be in conflict. If you don't search for it you won't see the kind of bifurcation around the Chauvin trial. Most people just breath a sigh of relief, including a lot of Republicans. It does deeply concern me that so many people claim Chauvin was framed, etc. Those who…

Framed? That is a completely stupid thing to believe, and I have never heard it suggested by anybody except you. The problem here is not those boogeymen that don’t exist. It’s you. And now me because I’ve dragged myself down to your level.

I flagged your comment. Calling names and pointing fingers doesn't solve anything. Especially since, in this case, you are reacting to something I did not say (and I reread my post to make sure).

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by bostonsre » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

snikeris wrote: post #129

bostonsre wrote: post #79

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Yes, individuals can flee to get out of the path of said shit snowball, but their descendants, family, friends, and neighbors are directly down hill from it.

Individuals can divert said snowball from said people.

Do you mean all people? Or a small portion of those people? Maybe building a shit snowball bomb shelter aka cutting internet to a household might be able to save a small portion of those people, but I'm not sure how anyone outside of elected representatives could ever hope to stop it for the wider population when the thing has so incredibly much inertia.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 8:01 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #140

teekert wrote: post #93

I see it in the smartest people I know. I live in the Netherlands but I have a "CNN addicted" colleague. And I like to tease her and say things like: "You know people want to carry guns so the government does not have a monopoly on violence, so when you feel like you got a leader (as you do now [this was Trump era]) that really does not have the consent of the governed anymore, you may not be powerless." Sure, societ…

I won't froth, but I won't have dinner with a Republican either. Their last Presidential candidate was deliberately insulting. We're not just talking about a media figure or fringe candidate, but a person they actually voted for. I came to this conclusion before 2016; 2016 merely marks the point where it became so obvious that no reasonable person could deny it. Even if they didn't pull the lever for him, he was mere…

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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by bostonsre » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 8:05 PM UTC

anaerobicover wrote: post #148

bostonsre wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, individuals can flee to get out of the path of said shit snowball, but their descendants, family, friends, and neighbors are directly down hill from it.

If enough people make the choice, it loses its power. It's the same as what makes voting works.

I'm not too optimistic that its possible to have enough people willingly boycott these news delivery pipelines to the point where it changes the ad dollar calculus for these corporations. They have been pretty great at cultivating addiction in a large proportion of the population, it seems like an extremely tough battle.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 8:06 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #140

teekert wrote: post #93

I see it in the smartest people I know. I live in the Netherlands but I have a "CNN addicted" colleague. And I like to tease her and say things like: "You know people want to carry guns so the government does not have a monopoly on violence, so when you feel like you got a leader (as you do now [this was Trump era]) that really does not have the consent of the governed anymore, you may not be powerless." Sure, societ…

I won't froth, but I won't have dinner with a Republican either. Their last Presidential candidate was deliberately insulting. We're not just talking about a media figure or fringe candidate, but a person they actually voted for. I came to this conclusion before 2016; 2016 merely marks the point where it became so obvious that no reasonable person could deny it. Even if they didn't pull the lever for him, he was mere…

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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

teekert wrote: post #172

jfengel wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you; I do take your last sentence as genuinely sincere. Regardless of the cause, it's an unfortunate situation. I am making the assertion that "it's because of both sides" is actually part of the problem. I don't believe that a reasonable person would look at the 2016 candidates and conclude that they showed hostility equally. I believe that one side is weaponizing that instinct to draw compromises. You're cert…

I agree with much of this. But there may be republicans out there that do not like every aspect of Trump, yet agree even less with the democratic candidate. Such a person may have good reasons for the way she or he voted and may be the way for you to learn to appreciate some aspects of “the other side”. It’s not black and white, your “two party system” forces a choice. I bet many people find what they choose suboptim…

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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by barbacoa » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 8:32 PM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #168

barbacoa wrote: post #43

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It the same issue but with a slight of hand to shift blame. There is a sentiment that at a macro level the economic system is geared to advantage those at the top. What I see mega corps are doing now is try to shift that frustration from a discussion of class to a discussion of race. Suddenly the white working class outside of major economic centers, the same ones who have seen their economic prospects erode over a g…

> Suddenly the white working class outside of major economic centers, the same ones who have seen their economic prospects erode over a generation due to deindustrialization can be painted as the villain and racists. May you please expand on this, because I am not following how white working class outsiders are involved. To my knowledge, corps & MLB have commented on specific actions by organizations such as the poli…

There have been countless corporations that are openly supporting BLM and pushing the "everything is about race" narrative because it is a distraction from the increasing wealth inequality that has led to rising economic popularism, which has in the past helped candidates like donald trump or bernie sanders who the powers-to-be want to keep out of office.