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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by kingsuper20 »

foepys wrote: post #68
Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

Not only that, there are entire continents where electric vehicles are simply not feasible. You cannot drive an EV 100km through mud and forests to get to a town just to charge it. Those EVs are not only very heavy and will sink in mud, they turn into bricks when empty. Have fun getting electricity into the jungle. A gas canister can be brought by anybody and filling the car up is quick. So most likely you will be ha…

It would be interesting to see an EV design that's appropriate for the Third World.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by rsync »

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ?

I don't want your electric car.

I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car.

I want one of your actual cars, just electric.

I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric.

God. Dammit.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by wayanon »

akomtu wrote: post #130
cjblomqvist wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "problem" in the US is the cheap gas, at least compared to EU. Taxing gas according to the CO2 cost would make it drastically different in TCO.

Half of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck and they need cars. I'm not sure their minimum wage can afford them carbon taxes.

It’s weird because I associate car ownership with wealth! I’m in my 40s in London in the UK earning an ok salary and neither me nor many of many friends have a car.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by jackson1442 »

CameronNemo wrote: post #38
jackson1442 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious... are you in the US? 350 miles is definitely within the realm of reason here-- a couple friends and I made an impulsive 250-something mile trip a couple weeks ago, and my family took a road trip to Florida over the past summer (normally we'd fly, but COVID)-- that trip was actually in an electric car and ended up being about 4 hours longer than it would be in a gas car. Depending on where you are, 350 mi…

I struggle to see how an electric car added four hours to a 250 mile trip. Unless you are counting both ways maybe? Even then, a 250 mile range EV would need one or two charging stops. Fast charging could just be 2-3 hours for both stops. At most.

That was the trip to Florida! It came out to about 1,250 miles and was actually rather enjoyable in the Kia Niro EV. We used the Electrify America charger network the whole way there and back so each stop was 20-40 minutes, perfect to stretch your legs, use a nearby restroom, and grab a bite to eat. Admittedly it got to a bit of a lull at night since it was a 20-something hour trip.

I think it would have been better to have a little bit more range so the stops are spaced farther apart, but charging was cheap and rather fast. The worst part was dealing with some of those chargers; there's usually at least one charger offline at EA stations and some charge really slow (which sucks when you pay by the minute) so there's a bit of trial-and-error.

I honestly kinda liked these forced breaks... usually when we take a long road trip I feel stiff as a board when we arrive, but I felt fine when we got there.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by kingsuper20 »

Klwohu wrote: post #110
Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

The range is the issue, the "suburban and rural retards" probably have more expensive vehicles than NY and San Fran dwellers. But nobody wants a car that can't run on gas unless you live on an Interstate corridor, the 101, etc.

I'd say that the more general issue with rural areas is the increasing complexity of cars and the death of small car dealerships. This area lost 100% of it's dealerships during the real estate crash and I'm not sure that an independent shop can fix a new BMW (or F150).

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by pkulak »

rsync wrote: post #142

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ? I don't want your electric car. I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car. I want one of your actual cars, just electric . I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric. God. Dammit.

It looks like a Honda CUV or Toyota Rav-4 to me. Not sure where your outrage is coming from.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by datavirtue »

sparrc wrote: post #43
axaxs wrote: post #5

I'm kicking around the idea of an electric car, but the ranges of these things just utterly disappoint me. With some companies offering, or planning to offer 500ish mile ranges, it would feel immediately outdated to me to throw 40k on something with a ~200 mile range. Is battery tech that different between companies, is it cost prohibitive?

Probably makes sense for you to wait then, I think most people are happy with 200-250 miles (I certainly would be)

250 sounds doable but not 200.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by camjohnson26 »

Klwohu wrote: post #123
ajross wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not sure why you introduced that slur with scare quotes given that no one used it upthread, nor even suggested anything similar... This sounds a bit much like you're trying to pick a fight.) Almost no one, even in the US, lives legitimately far from an interstate corridor or other major infrastructure path. These EVs can absolutely be made to work in the red state exurbs. You'll find plenty of Tesla owners in those…

It strange, as you black/red flag city dwellers seem to we simple country folk to be poorer and less able to achieve land and vehicle ownership than we banjo-strumming hillbillies. Perhaps when we see you driving your little electric bug cars and living in rat shacks in this current year we get much the same impression that you do from looking at photos of the dust bowl era, still apparently the modern city person's…

You’re projecting. No one is saying that.
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